60m times converted to 100m

[speed101]

just looking back to the weekend where the AAA european indoor trials took place at sheffield. i caught a particular intrest in three 16 yr old youth sprinters some of the top ones in britain. the three were: gerald phiri who got through to the final at came fith in 6.70 p.b. then there was harry aikines who lowered his p.b. to 6.78 and finaly rion pierre ran 6.83 for a p.b. in his semi-final. these are fast times for 16 yr old's but just wondred what there 60m times would equate to over 100m. p.s. if any one knows what is the fastest time for a 16 yr old 60m world age best thanks.

[Jon]

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The world-best for a 16 year old is Mark Lewis-Francis 6.69, so for Phiri to be just one hundredth behind is very impressive indeed (and would no doubt make him 2nd-best on the world all time lists).

Difficult to say how they'll fare outdoors, but (to give Phiri something to aim for), the year MLF ran 6.69, he was running 10.3 - 10.5 outdoors.

It must be added though, that the Sheffield track is pretty quick (hence all the PBs), so a 10.4 would be a realistic aim for Phiri.

[rosa saks]

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The IAAF lists the following performance which if correct would be superior to Mark Lewis Francis's time and just three days shy of being the record for fifteen year olds.

6.68 Haohuan Zhao CHN 20 02 1988 2 Beijing 22 02 2004

10.32 0.0 Haohuan Zhao CHN 20 02 1988 2 Beijing 17 07 2004

The best performance by a sixteen year over 100m is 10.24 by Darrell Brown.

[tafnut]

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I agree. 10.30 - 10.40 should be doable.

[Jon]

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>CHN




Exactly.

[gh]

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Generally speaking, any attempt to equate 60m times to 100 are doomed to failure, because they CAN (not necessarily) are two such different races, depending on the athlete in question. We've seen no shortage (no pun intended) of short sprinters who are quick out of the blocks and kick ass indoors in the 60 (think Nelli Cooman), but are too short-legged to maintain that kind of speed for another 40m. Conversely, think of long-legged types who have trouble getting out of the blocks and aren't much at 60, but are still at close to full speed at the 100 point.

[MJD]

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>>CHN




>Exactly.

Someone just passed this on to me today.

http://www.8ung.at/age-records/

"The athletes in these lists come from the following countries:

AUS Australia
BRA Brazil
BUL Bulgaria
CAN Canada
CAY Cayman Islands
CRO Croatia
CUB Cuba
DEN Denmark
ESP Spain
EST Estonia
FIN Finland
FRA France
GBR Great Britain and Northern Ireland
GER Germany
GRE Greece
HUN Hungary
ITA Italy
JAM Jamaica
JPN Japan
KOR South Korea
LUX Luxemburg
NED Netherlands
NOR Norway
NZL New Zealand
POL Poland
ROM Romania
RSA South Africa
RUS Russia
SCG Serbia and Montenegro
SLO Slovenia
SUI Switzerland
SWE Sweden
TRI Trinidad and Tobago
TUN Tunisia
USA United States of America
VEN Venezuela"

edit-Sully is on there twice which is no surprise but there is another kid on there from my hometown in the 2000 steeple and I did not know that.

[rosa saks]

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Did Ahmed Awesu run any 100's last year? He was 16 through to October and ran a 6.72 indoors in 2004 after running 10.67 in 2003.

The fascinating one is 10.07w by 17 year old J-Mee Samuels.

[eldrick]

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gh is right that you can't always equate 60m times with 100 ones, but if you try some modelling, for an "ideal" runner who maintains his last 40m as well as his first 60m time implies, you can get a rough relationship

100m time = (2 * (60m time)) - 3.00

[26mi235]

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100m time = >(2 * (60m time)) - 3.00

Demi Omole: 10.15 last year, 6.62 so far this year => 10.14.

However, note that the sprinters are rarely peaking for indoors, which should make scomparisons difficult as well.

[Jon]

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>However, note that the sprinters are rarely peaking
>for indoors, which should make scomparisons difficult as well.





Eldrick still has trouble getting his head round this (questioning why Wariner 'only' ran 45.35 indoors 2004, when he ran 44.00 outdoors).

[slowcoach]

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>the year MLF ran 6.69, he was running 10.3 - 10.5 outdoors.

He actually ran 10.31. So, potentially, Phiri could run something similar.

It all depends on whether he can be fit, run on a decent track, on a decent day, etc.

Interestingly, Phiri's birthday is even later in the year than MLF: 6 Oct to 4 Sept. This means he was 46 days younger than MLF was when he ran his 6.69.

(Well, it was interesting to me, anyway)

[Hulk]

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>>However, note that the sprinters are rarely peaking for indoors, which
>>should make scomparisons difficult as well.
>
>Eldrick still has trouble getting his head round this (questioning why Wariner 'only' ran 45.35
>indoors 2004, when he ran 44.00 outdoors).

Well, peaking for a 400m versus peaking for a 60m are two different things, I would think. My guess is the difference between peaking for indoors and peaking for outdoors is about 0.02 or 0.03s in the 60, tops -- *maybe* 0.05s. But, for the world's best guys, that would be the difference between a low 6.4 and mid 6.4.

The bigger reason why indoors 60m tend to be different than outdoor is that the big players don't come out, and the "littler" players (multiple meanings) lap it up.

[Pego]

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I entered several sprinters' PR's for 60i and 100 into Eldrick's formula and it actually works remarkably well.

[paulthefan]

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If the formula was based on the data it should work well. Now if Elderick can put a few more regressors in there, like hieght, weight, age, and turn the crank in SAS he can get even more accurate predictor.

>I entered several sprinters' PR's for 60i and 100 into Eldrick's formula and it
>actually works remarkably well.