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  • #31
    Re: Webb out

    Just a thought (and I don't now the answer). It seems that most top distance kids go to Stanford, Arkansas, etc., which are always up for the team titles in T&F indoors and out (as well as cross). This forces guys like Hall, Lincoln, Riley, etc. to race year round fighting for national championships.

    Compare that to Kennedy (Indiana was not up for any team championships during his reign), Holman (Georgetown), and others. Maybe a top H.S. runner would be better served going to a smaller/less competitive DI or DII school where he doesn't have to run steeple/10k doubles for team points. Steve Spence went to Shippenburg(sp?) I believe - not overraced in college and look what he was able to accomplish.

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    • #32
      Re: Webb out

      >Just a thought (and I don't now the answer). It
      >seems that most top distance kids go to Stanford,
      >Arkansas, etc., which are always up for the team
      >titles in T&F indoors and out (as well as cross).
      >This forces guys like Hall, Lincoln, Riley, etc.
      >to race year round fighting for national
      >championships.

      Compare that to Kennedy
      >(Indiana was not up for any team championships
      >during his reign), Holman (Georgetown), and
      >others. Maybe a top H.S. runner would be better
      >served going to a smaller/less competitive DI or
      >DII school where he doesn't have to run
      >steeple/10k doubles for team points. Steve
      >Spence went to Shippenburg(sp?) I believe - not
      >overraced in college and look what he was able
      >to accomplish.

      I agree. Coaches at less competitive private or d2/d3 schools are SOMETIMES less likely to require athletes to put themselves (personal interests) on the line for team points.

      Track and Field is a pure individual sport made into a team sport. The most talented are squeezed to produce points for the team. This strategy is o.k. for sprinters but devastating for distance runners.

      If a h.s. miler was looking for a great program
      I would think that Steve Scott's program at Cal State would be ideal. A guy who obviously knows the sport inside out, very personable, in an atmosphere that would permit focus on the individual as a priority over the team.

      I'm not sure how he is as a coach, but having run with him, and seeing how he is around h.s. kids I would think he would be great.

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      • #33
        Re: Webb out

        I think Steele could be a murderer at 800m if he trained for that event

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        • #34
          Re: Webb out

          Right at the time
          >of Steve Holman retirement US distance running
          >went into a tail spin.

          Holman? He ran some fast times, but was a horrible, horrible choker. Easily intimidated, and panicked when in a crowd or a jam. We have to read all the complaints about Webb, and then be treated to a remark that insinuates that a guy who often lost his nerve when having to compete outside the collegiate level was one of the US's last, best runners?

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          • #35
            Re: Webb out

            Holman may of been bit of a choker, but his times speak for themselves. He was also ranked among the top five milers in the world.
            He just missed the elite sub 3:50 American mile club by a hair.

            With the possible exception of Krummenacker I would take Holman over any US miler today.

            Question of the Day:

            Where is Steve Holman. I heard is studying law in the south. He was not that old when he retired. Falcon is also a mystery. Someone from runnersworld told me he is now a police officer.

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            • #36
              Re: Webb out

              >Question of the Day:
              >Where is
              >Steve Holman.

              A little out of date but here is an interview:

              http://www.mensracing.com/athletes/keep ... olman.html

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              • #37
                Re: Webb out

                I have actually seem some of these Holman quotes about Webb before.

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                • #38
                  Re: Webb out

                  >Holman may of been bit of a choker, but his times
                  >speak for themselves. He was also ranked among
                  >the top five milers in the world.
                  He just missed
                  >the elite sub 3:50 American mile club by a
                  >hair.

                  With the possible exception of
                  >Krummenacker I would take Holman over any US
                  >miler today.

                  Yeah, I said he ran some fast times. But never when it counted. I wouldn't take him over any of today's mediocre milers in a championship meet. He'd choke. I don't hate him. I just think he wasn't a competitor. All the talent, no guts. Krum has guts, win or lose he's bustin' his tail in the races he's running in Europe.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Webb out

                    We will see if Krummenacker ends up a better 1500 meter runner than Holman. Krummenacker is on the verge of being a "great" miler.


                    Come on Krummenacker we can't let Canadian Sullivan takeover North American miling.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Webb out

                      >Just a thought (and I don't now the answer). It
                      >seems that most top distance kids go to Stanford,
                      >Arkansas, etc., which are always up for the team
                      >titles in T&F indoors and out (as well as cross).
                      >This forces guys like Hall, Lincoln, Riley, etc.
                      >to race year round fighting for national
                      >championships.

                      Compare that to Kennedy
                      >(Indiana was not up for any team championships
                      >during his reign), Holman (Georgetown), and
                      >others. Maybe a top H.S. runner would be better
                      >served going to a smaller/less competitive DI or
                      >DII school where he doesn't have to run
                      >steeple/10k doubles for team points. Steve
                      >Spence went to Shippenburg(sp?) I believe - not
                      >overraced in college and look what he was able
                      >to accomplish.

                      I agree that overacing could be a big probleml. It's interesting that all the top HS runners choose basically stanford, arkansas, colorado, or some other distance runner. I remember Amber Trotter chose to go to some D3 school, but we haven't heard anything from her. This year steve Magness chose to go to a small D1 school, so that should be interesting.

                      AW will come around I believe. By how much? who knows.

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