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  • I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

    ...something about the new mile WJR besides a tiny paragraph at the end of the magazine. An African kid won't appeal to the general public, but track fans will be interested to read about him. Anyway it's just not fair how everyone goes nucking futs over Alan Webb's 3:53 and then completely ignores a 3:50 by an African kid.

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    Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

    Good Call Man.

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    • #3
      Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

      Maybe 'cuz we know Webb was 18 and the African "kid" may be 28

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      • #4
        Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

        The African kid starts collecting social security next year.

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        • #5
          Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

          >Maybe 'cuz we know Webb was 18 and the African
          >"kid" may be 28

          Probably not. Likelier scenario: if someone's not American, T&FN is much likelier to give it short shrift.

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          • #6
            Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

            That almost sounded like a criticism. T&FN is an American magazine most assuredly for an American audience. There are plenty of other track periodicals in the world. I bet T&FN isn't even the largest circulation. I read it for Americans first and then . . . world stars.

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            • #7
              Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

              Last time I looked (many years ago now), T&FN had about the same circulation as Athletics Weekly (Britain) and Leichtathletik (Germany). We're down, but suspect they are too. But bottom line is, we don't care about being the biggest, so long as we're the best! :-)

              As to content, with a readership that's 85-90% U.S., and has for years overwhelmingly said in surveys that domestic track is what they want (and consider HS track a high priority), don't expect any change in our mix. We'll continue to do what we think the bulk of the readers want, and there's not the remotest shread of doubt in our minds that they'd rather read about Alan Webb (or Gabe Jennings, for that matter), than James Kwalia. For us to assume otherwise would be fiscally suicidal.

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              • #8
                Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

                What is your circ? I have a bet with one of our circulation managers.

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                • #9
                  Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

                  >...something about the new mile WJR besides a
                  >tiny paragraph at the end of the magazine. An
                  >African kid won't appeal to the general public,
                  >but track fans will be interested to read about
                  >him. Anyway it's just not fair how everyone goes
                  >nucking futs over Alan Webb's 3:53 and then
                  >completely ignores a 3:50 by an African kid.

                  The reason everyone went "futs" over Webb was that it was an American record that had stood for so long. If another U.S. h.s. kid runs 3:52 in the next couple of years he will most certainly be a celebrity in the T&F world but he won't get the widespread attention Webb did. Webb smashed though a barrier that had stood for almost three decades and brought a lot of attention to the sport in the US.

                  Every year another incredible young African emerges. They are awesome, we know that, we are used to that. We are looking for more young Americans to step up to the new challenge set by Mr. Webb.

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                  • #10
                    Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

                    Re: circulation, I always read the October issue for the "statement of ownership" to see how many copies are spoiled, given away, etc.

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                    • #11
                      Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

                      Just off the top of my head, I believe that the last numbers (Dec 02) were 19,363 paid or requested issues or month average.

                      1979's number was 32,572.

                      C'mon gang - start helping out here.

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                      • #12
                        Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

                        Any idea why circulation numbers have dropped so much? Is there really that much less interest in track and field in the US since 1979 or is it because of other avenues such as the internet and television (not that there's that many track meets on TV in the US). With so many universities dropping the sport over the last few years I think many of us fans are concerned about the outlook of track and field in the US. Seeing almost a 50% decline in circulation of the "bible" of the sport in this country over the last 25 years was somewhat alarming. Any insight into this? Was there that many baby boomer track fans back then?

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                        • #13
                          Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

                          After subscribing to TFN for 16 years (1980-1996), TFN got too danged expensive as I saw it go from $13.50/year to over $40/year. Sorry, with the advent of the internet and the already many hundreds of meets I've been to in my lifetime, I really don't need most of the fluff that TFN adds in the way of words to a story. I can already read most of the story on the 'net anyway.

                          I'd consider re-subscribing if TFN dropped back down to the $25/year range. But at today's price, FORGET IT!

                          Suggestion for the TFN crew...MOVE OUT OF THAT DAMNED OVER-TAXED SOCIALIST UTOPIA OF KALIFORNIA. Maybe then your production costs will lower considerably and you'll be able to re-gain some lost subscribers like me.

                          Kurt

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                          • #14
                            Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

                            <<I'd consider re-subscribing if TFN dropped back down to the $25/year range. But at today's price, FORGET IT! >>

                            Last of the bigtime spenders aren't we. Listen, a lot of of my friends play golf, an average greens fee is more than $40 and you think that's too much for a year's subscription to T&FN? Oh, and all the "free" stuff you get off the internet has to get paid eventually by someone. If everyone were a cheapskate, one of these days no more T&fN, no more message board, no more "free" stuff.

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                            • #15
                              Re: I would haved liked to see (in T&FN)...

                              I'll hype it again... if you haven't tried eTN you're missing a big part of your T&FN subscription. eTN is a weekly (during the peak season) results newsletter that is emailed on the Wednesday (sometimes sooner) after a weekend's results. You get tons of results no else has, consistent structure, and add-ons (like NCAA nationals qualifiers highlighted specially in the regional issue and Worlds qualifiers highlighted in the USATF issue). It is a huge addition to your T&FN subscription and it is FREEEEEEEEEE for subscribers.

                              You're not just getting 12 issues of the magazine anymore, you're also getting 42+ issues of eTN. Which brings me to my next point...

                              DRUM ROLL PLEASE!

                              We'll be sending a daily eTN from Paris for the World Championships!

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