Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 bid?

[deltre]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

>is it just me, or wouldn't the olympics in NYC just result in incredible
>gridlock...

after all, throw in all the extra security measures in all these
>estimates about how long it'll take to get around...

although people did say
>1984 was gonna be a nightmare too...

still, I say double the time estimates
>to get around

I'm a T&F fan. I have no interest in rhythmic gymnastics, modern pentathlon or beach volleyball. The same with slalom kayaking. But a lot of people, mostly the parents and relatives of the participants in these mongrel sports, are interested in them and they make the OG's a continuos gridlock. That's why I'll bypass the OG's wherever they are and stick with the T&F WC's.

[az2004]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

is it just me, or wouldn't the olympics in NYC just result in incredible gridlock...

after all, throw in all the extra security measures in all these estimates about how long it'll take to get around...

although people did say 1984 was gonna be a nightmare too...

still, I say double the time estimates to get around

[wineturtle]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

They've been known to do even more bizarre things for the love of a
>bad one. :-)

Sheepishly I admit to dating her also but I'm a New Yorker so the gunshot and the missing money were well worth the ride! Crap ...the good one got more money in the end!

[The Kitchen Cynic]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

>>Men have been known to do a lot of bizarre things for the love of a good woman.<<

They've been known to do even more bizarre things for the love of a bad one. :-)

[deltre]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

>The $104 per person r.t. from suburban Philly to Penn Station
>seems
>authentic. The $250 for a motel room in Lancaster is hyperbole. It
>might not be
>much of an exaggeration by 2012. I can't see anyone doing that
>roundtrip more
>than two days consecutively.

I made the Allentown >NYC
>commute Three times a week for 18 months--2 hours on the Carl Bieber bus each
>way. And I did it for the love of a good woman so I guess I could take 17 Days
>in 2012 because of my love of T&F.

PS I'll take bids to rent my Astoria one
>bedroom starting next week---say 5 large for the Track days or 7 for the whole
>shabang.

Men have been known to do a lot of bizarre things for the love of a good woman.

[wineturtle]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

The $104 per person r.t. from suburban Philly to Penn Station seems
>authentic. The $250 for a motel room in Lancaster is hyperbole. It might not be
>much of an exaggeration by 2012. I can't see anyone doing that roundtrip more
>than two days consecutively.

I made the Allentown >NYC commute Three times a week for 18 months--2 hours on the Carl Bieber bus each way. And I did it for the love of a good woman so I guess I could take 17 Days in 2012 because of my love of T&F.

PS I'll take bids to rent my Astoria one bedroom starting next week---say 5 large for the Track days or 7 for the whole shabang.

[deltre]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

>I would love for the olympics to be in New York.....i have never been to europe
>and am scared to travel that far so it would be great for me!!!

In
>addition, it might be great PR to have the olympics here anyway b/c i feel the
>world "hates" (jealous) us right now......

plus, Jeb Bush will be
>president at that time and Guiliani will be Vice President and all will be
>fine.....

I hope you're being facetious, but it seems like partisan politics is rearing its ugly head.

[deltre]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

><(spending $104 round trip)>
<That $250 a night motel room in Lancaster, PA I
>mentioned previously might not be so bad after all.>

So it seems that a
>couple would have to spend $6500 just for the motel room and transportation to
>the stadium. That is before the first ticket and before the first hot dog.


The $104 per person r.t. from suburban Philly to Penn Station seems authentic. The $250 for a motel room in Lancaster is hyperbole. It might not be much of an exaggeration by 2012. I can't see anyone doing that roundtrip more than two days consecutively.

[sprinterjones]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

I would love for the olympics to be in New York.....i have never been to europe and am scared to travel that far so it would be great for me!!!

In addition, it might be great PR to have the olympics here anyway b/c i feel the world "hates" (jealous) us right now......

plus, Jeb Bush will be president at that time and Guiliani will be Vice President and all will be fine.....

[Pego]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

<(spending $104 round trip)>
<That $250 a night motel room in Lancaster, PA I mentioned previously might not be so bad after all.>

So it seems that a couple would have to spend $6500 just for the motel room and transportation to the stadium. That is before the first ticket and before the first hot dog.

[deltre]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

>>Two hours on a commuter train each way from Trenton or New Haven to
>Manhattan,
>then a crowded bus to the stadium.

Less than two hours,
>certainly, and then just a 2-3 block walk from Penn Station to the new stadium.
>I could stay at my house in suburban Philly, take the commuter to Philly, the
>Amtrak to NYC (spending $104 round trip) and be spending the same amount of
>time from bed to seat as I did in Sydney, and saving money in the
>process.

Not that I'm necessarily rooting for NYC to win the bid, but that
>it may not live up to people's worst fears regarding transportation.

That $250 a night motel room in Lancaster, PA I mentioned previously might not be so bad after all.

[KevinM]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

Fair enough. Call me crazy (sarcasm), but something tells me that without the Olympics, that West Side stadium won't have a track, making any future internationals a tall order.

[deltre]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

KevinM, If New York ever held the Track and Field WC's, I'd be the first in line for tickets for the entire meeting. In a town like NYC, they wouldn't be a very big deal. Prices wouldn't be any higher than normal and transportation in and out of the city wouldn't be a problem. A monstrosity like the OG's are another thing entirely. Whereas the WC's only attract diehard T&F devotees, the OG's lure the most diverse and divergent mass of contestants, bureaucrats. entourages, officials, etc. imaginable. I luv NY. But not that much.

[dj]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

>Two hours on a commuter train each way from Trenton or New Haven to Manhattan,
>then a crowded bus to the stadium.

Less than two hours, certainly, and then just a 2-3 block walk from Penn Station to the new stadium. I could stay at my house in suburban Philly, take the commuter to Philly, the Amtrak to NYC (spending $104 round trip) and be spending the same amount of time from bed to seat as I did in Sydney, and saving money in the process.

Not that I'm necessarily rooting for NYC to win the bid, but that it may not live up to people's worst fears regarding transportation.

[KevinM]

Re: Are non-New Yorkers on this board scared of a NYC 2012 b

Trenton and New Haven were obviously my extreme points. 15 minutes closer in from Trenton and you have a ton of hotels around Princeton.

Fact remains that MSG stands on top of the busiest train station in the US, and you would only have a 10-15 minute WALK (not "crowded bus") to the proposed Oly Stadium. Getting out to the Meadowlands for concerts/games is easy enough now, and that involves going through Port Authority. I'm guessing connections to those facilities would be streamlined for 2012.

I don't necessarily have a strong opinion on whether or not NYC should get the Games, but I strongly disagree arguing against it for the reasons you listed.