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    Re: Track gets no respect

    I would be interested in seeing a "team track" concept devloped much like Team Tennis. It certianly wouldn't be glamorous like the major championships, but it may spark some interest in track and field.

    I imagine a scenario where the size or each team was large enough to field a complete team (2 or 3 per event) but small enough to force some doubling or tripling up (100/200/4x1, 800/1500, etc...)

    Depending on the number of teams formed, there could be a round-robin series of dual meets or a series of tri/quad meets staged over a period of time in different cities. I also believe it could be easily be packaged into a nice afternoon or twilight event.

    It would be kind of like a high school dual meet, only these meets would have world class athletes.

    It may or may not be an ideal situation for TV, but that's not the point. The point is to give potential fans an opportunity to attend and see there favorite stars compete against each other in a team format.

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    I hear some folks saying that college track is less enjoyable these days. I beg to differ. I coach track at the high and jr. high level and those folks plus college athletes really lay on the line for their teams.That is what I like about high school and college track.The regional qualifying system installed in college this year has forced good athletes to make decisions about where to run hard and when to pull back and maybe skip a conference championship meet. I think this makes for boring meets by not showcasing your stars,so they might not get injured.I think coaches really need to look at whats going on with other sports and make a decision that will help this sport get out of the shadows.

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    Without a doubt, track and field is probably the most difficult sport to cover on TV -- especially races longer than a mile. If you think about football, basketball, and baseball, there tend to be natural breaks occuring every 5 minutes or so (timeouts, change of possession, in between innings, etc...). In track, it would be next to impossible to show a 5000 race in it's entirety without interruption (imagine having to listen to the the commentators talk during this time). Seeing a condensed version of the race just doesn't do it for me. I'm always wondering what I have missed. The problem with trying to show the field events is the dead time between attempts.

    On the other hand, all of the shorter races fit into this 5 minute (+ or -) span.

    I couldn't even begin to come up with a way to repackage track for TV. Personally, I would much rather attend a meet in person. Unfortunately, I live in Indy and we don't get many track meets here. Too bad we don't have adequate support or facilities here (just a bit of sarcasm...)

    P.S. I think I missed the Prefontaine meet on tv. Wasn't it aired days or weeks after the meet? I'm thankful for T&FN for allowing me to get the detailed, up-to-date results that you can't get on TV or in the newspaper. It sure beats what we see on TV these days...

    >Clay: You must not of watched the Prefontaine
    >meet and the mile buildup for Alan Webb on NBC
    >this year. The reason there is little coverage
    >for middle or longer distance events overall is
    >exactly due to the public's lack of interest in
    >watching it on TV. Why is that??

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  • Vince
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    Clay: You must not of watched the Prefontaine meet and the mile buildup for Alan Webb on NBC this year. The reason there is little coverage for middle or longer distance events overall is exactly due to the public's lack of interest in watching it on TV. Why is that??

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    I think the doubling of distances is just a natural, consistent, way of increasing the distance of the races. Sure, the distances could have just as easily been set at 100, 300, 900, ... or 150, 300, 450, ... [I'm not going to say anything about why we suddenly jump from 800 to 1500 -- it doesn't make a lot of sense to me).

    To answer your question, though. I don't think a tv exec could give a rat's a** about the 1500/mile debate. The past several years, it seems like the only interest from tv is the 100 and perhaps the 400 (during the MJ era). I do believe however, that the 1500 is a silly equivalent to the mile. If it's not meant to be, then why is often called the "metric mile"?

    >You are right, any measurement of distance is
    >completely arbitrary. I am just suggesting that
    >a complete venue of running events that start at
    >100, then gets doubled again and again and again
    >and again etc. gets tedious to a public that we
    >want interested in this sport. I have a question
    >for you, do you think TV exec's in the U.S. are
    >more interested in a good 1500 man or a good
    >miler?

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    Even though I'm probably a lot younger than you, TAFNUT, I should be better accustomed to metric. I'll admit that I'm not, and I'm a mathematician! I know everything there is to know about the metric system and can easily do the conversions. In my opinion, the hardest adjustments to make are the fields events. I too thank GH and T&FN for providing imperial measurements along with metric. But, I'm learning!

    The nicest part about the metric system is the fact that there is only one base unit. There doesn't seem to be an advantage with 6ft = 183cm = 1.83m. But, 6ft,2in = 1.88m. No need for using two different units!

    Right now, you and I are more comfortable when we visualize/measure short distances in feet? Would we be just as comfortable measuring these heights/distances in yards, too? How would we react to the HJ WR be listed as 2.68yd (or, how about 2yd,2ft,1/2in)?

    I still stick by my point made earlier, though. I a race with a fixed distance, the unit of measurement is still irrrelevent

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  • Vince
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    You are right, any measurement of distance is completely arbitrary. I am just suggesting that a complete venue of running events that start at 100, then gets doubled again and again and again and again etc. gets tedious to a public that we want interested in this sport. I have a question for you, do you think TV exec's in the U.S. are more interested in a good 1500 man or a good miler?

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  • tafnut
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    Maybe it's just the hardening of my arteries, but I've been trying to 'adjust' to metric for 30 years, and it's just like when I was taking German in high school, when I had to translate everything in my head back into English. YAY! to T&FN's policy to keep imperial listings for an AMERICAN public. When gh's (and my) generation is sitting 1.83m under, y'all can go metric all you want.

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    In my opinion, the unit of measurement is irrelevent. What's important is the ability to easily compare one distance to another (i.e the 100m is half as long as the 200m, the 800m is twice as far as the 400m). We could just as easily measure the length of a race or a throw using a javalin as the unit of measure people would still be able to relate distances.

    Most people are pretty clueless when it comes to measurement. Sure, we're all pretty good at visualizing what 12 inches/1 foot looks like, but once you get beyond 8-10 feet, it's a lot more difficult (from near or far, how many can truly differentiate a PV bar set at 17 or 18 feet).

    What make you think measureing distances in yards/miles would make it any better? I would bet that a large portion of the public doesn't even realize that there are 3 ft in a yard, or 1760 yards in a mile, or 5280 feet in a mile. When a play is run during a football game, half of the audience probably uses the markers to determine the diustance of the run of pass, while the other half just waits for the PA guy to announce it. Most people couldn't come close to walking a distance of 100 yards unless they were on a football field or look. They couldn't drive a mile in there car without resetting the trip odometer.

    It's simply a matter of adjusting to the metric system. I can't be that bad if the rest of the world uses it. Watch foreign tv sometime. They spit out distance is meters/centimeters, weights in grams/kilograms, and temperature in degrees Celsius like without hesitation.

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  • Twister
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    The metric distances ARE confusing to a stupid public. To most people running brings up memories of being forced to run in gym class. Maybe if the distances were more "user" friendly: ex; run from the couch to your fridge and back during the commerical, the sprint around Walmart the day after thanksgiving, ect. The majority of people I know that don't like track and field are the ones that could benefit from the exercise and find encouragement to work out by watching it.

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    >Assuming that the meet is not an invitational
    with multiple heats of every event, it seems like
    a meet could be finished in about the same amount
    of time it takes to complete a 9 inning baseball
    game or a football game.. . .

    the way many of the "professional meets" are set up, potential fans of the sport are only seeing a small sample of the whole product. I, for one, would be erribly upset if I made arrangements to attend a meet only to find out that the high jump (or any other event) is not being contested because it's not an "in" event that season.

    If I attend a meet (or, in the uncommon
    event that a meet is televised), I want to see
    a full-slate of events. Not just the few events
    the IAAF has designated as grand prix events
    for the upcoming year.<

    The full slate includes 16 field events--eight each for men and women. They include six long throws, which can be conducted only one at a time.

    Same amount of time as a baseball or football game? Nonsense.

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    Assuming that the meet is not an invitational with multiple heats of every event, it seems like a meet could be finished in about the same amount of time it takes to complete a 9 inning baseball game or a football game.

    Granted, it would be unrealistic to run a full-slate of distance races under this scheme. No offense to the distance runner (hey, I enjoy watching these guys as much as anything), but I don't envision such a meet that runs both the 5000 and 10000. For one thing, wouldn't they be the same athletes? And, would they be willing to run both in the same day?

    To make my point clearer, the way many of the "professional meets" are set up, potential fans of the sport are only seeing a small sample of the whole product. I, for one, would be terribly upset if I made arrangements to attend a meet only to find out that the high jump (or any other event) is not being contested because it's not an "in" event that season.

    >>If I attend a meet (or, in the uncommon
    event
    >that a meet is televised), I want to see
    >a
    full-slate of events. Not just the few events
    >the
    IAAF has designated as grand prix events for
    >the
    upcoming year.<

    And how much time do you
    >want to invest in this? One of the problems we
    >have in marketing the sport these days is that
    >our events can take much longer than most people
    >(and particularly most younger people) seem to
    >want to spend at an event of any kind. Sure, I
    >want to see the whole programme, too. But I
    >think you and I are part of a small minority of
    >people willing to sit through it all.

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  • Pego
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    While T&F gets little respect, swimming gets none. At this moment they have the WC in Barcelona and there is hardly any mention of it in the media. The "major" sport website such as ESPN, CBS, Sporting News, CNN/SI dont even have a category for swimming.

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    I've always had interest in track on all levels, but over the last 5 years, I've been less interested in college and pro track (at least in the US).

    Most people such as myself go to Penn Relays for the high school events, as opposed to the college and Olympic Development. Luckily, Penn's implementation of the USA v. The World has made watching the world class at Penn more enjoyable.

    College track, for me, has become a virtual zero (Penn or anyware else, even NCAA's). Sorry, but I'm not feelin' college right now.

    High school track has always been and always will be enjoyable to me. In addition to Penn, the Armory is a classic (for indoors).

    My point is this. Many people say fix track at the grass roots. I say fix it at the college and pro levels. They need help. For a lot of reasons. Peace.

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    >If I attend a meet (or, in the uncommon
    event that a meet is televised), I want to see a
    full-slate of events. Not just the few events the
    IAAF has designated as grand prix events for the
    upcoming year.<

    And how much time do you want to invest in this? One of the problems we have in marketing the sport these days is that our events can take much longer than most people (and particularly most younger people) seem to want to spend at an event of any kind. Sure, I want to see the whole programme, too. But I think you and I are part of a small minority of people willing to sit through it all.

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