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    >weren't Hage and Held decent marathoners/track guys in their previous life?

    I can't speak for all of them, but I know Tilson is going to the US 2004 Olympic team trials for the marathon. He also holds the official 50k US record and the unofficial (but as official as anyone is going to get) 50k world record.

    That's not even mentioned that the guy also rode his bike across the US three times and Asia twice. Seriously.

    These ultra guys deserve more credit than they get.

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    >Actually, weren't Hage and Held decent
    >t marathoners/track guys in their previous life?

    Yes but Hage, IMHO, should be more famous for his now defunct newsletter Running Ranting and Racing that he started with Scott Douglas and literally had me on the floor laughing on many occasions.

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    >My dad and I have a theory. When black guys take
    >over white sports, white guys invent other
    >sports, rather than try to work and compete with
    >the black guys. Such is the case with
    >ultra-running.

    I'm not surprised at all that
    >Americans are kings of ultramarathoning. In
    >fact, I'd be shocked if we weren't. I mean, who
    >else is going to run a hundred damn miles but
    >Americans? I'm sure we also dominate
    >trail-running, skate and snow boarding,
    >triathlon, and of course all the X-Game events.>

    BillVol is dead wrong about the racial aspect, but spot-on concerning Americans and inventing events. However..... that's a GOOD thing! I credit the NCAA and USATF largely for making it possible for women to do things like the steeplechase, 5K, 10K, marathoning, 400H, PV, TJ and HT, which the rest of the world ignored. It's interesting to note that in almost all these disciplines, in the early years the World Rankings (and even WRs) are dominated by Americans, then the rest of the world catches up.

    It's also this spirit of invention and moving ahead, in all fields, that has made the U.S. the world leader in so many things. It's something to be very proud of.

    (And boy, has this thread now wandered far off-topic!)

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    Why T&F fans feel the need to downplay a sport related to theirs (ultrarunning) is beyond me. When we wonder why our fan base isn't greater maybe it's because our "snob factor" is so high (witness the monthly Runner's World bash posts). I spoke with Greg Lemond last fall in Chicago, and he went on and on about different cycling events, from Velodrome racing to the Tour De France to local 100 mile club rides - all with equal enthusiasim - because he said all bring people into the "cycling" family.

    I disagree that the "standards" are low in the ultramarathon - but even if they are calling it a "made up" sport (no more so than the mile) is pointless.

    Lemond's big picture views on his sport are not without merit.

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    I'm confused. Americans are the 'only' ones dumb enough to do all the mileage necessary to excel in this fringe sport that only appeals to athletic wannabes that can't beat the black people that dominate all the other sports. But . . . we don't do the mileage necessary to excel in the 'real' events like 10K and Marathon? Or is it just that white guys are so pathetically under-endowed (athletically speaking) that we could never excel at any real sport?

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    BillVol may have a point... The standards in the 100k are nowhere near those in normal Olympic events. This was shown very clearly when Tomoe Abe, running her first 100k race ever, and in less-than-perfect conditions, smashed the world best by almost half an hour. Abe was a world-class marathoner, but not really a superstar (her PB was around 2:26). If only more world-class marathoners gave this event a try, we would see how low the current ultramarathoning standards are.
    BTW, Americans do NOT rule the 100k by any stretch of the imagination. Russia and Japan are the strongest countries and, apart from these two, most of the world's elite come from various European countries. We probably won't see East Africans dominate until there's more money involved...

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    Actually I don't think Americans "rule" ultrarunning (Greeks?) - que Ultrarunner.

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    My dad and I have a theory. When black guys take over white sports, white guys invent other sports, rather than try to work and compete with the black guys. Such is the case with ultra-running.

    I'm not surprised at all that Americans are kings of ultramarathoning. In fact, I'd be shocked if we weren't. I mean, who else is going to run a hundred damn miles but Americans? I'm sure we also dominate trail-running, skate and snow boarding, triathlon, and of course all the X-Game events.

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    ultraman...(sounds like a Marvel comic character!)

    I'm not an ultra guy (although I once had a 30 mile day)...but have had ultra friends here in the Huntsville, AL area. We have an annual ultra (Mountain Mist) race and have been long friends with many ultra people from this area. Come visit us sometime.

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    Actually top ultramarathoners are truly quite impressive. They compare favorably to a Lance Armstrong - mega-endurance and speed to match. Having run a few 2:30ish marathons (and gimping for weeks afterwards) I can't imagine running 2-3 times the distance at the same pace. Actually, weren't Hage and Held decent marathoners/track guys in their previous life?

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    USA Names 100k WC Team

    Not sure that many of you on this board know or care about Ultramarathoning (races farther than 26.2 miles) but there is a World Championship every year and the USA Track & Field just announced it team to race in this years championships. 100k = 62.1 miles and the men's winner every year averages between 6:00 and 6:30 per mile for 62 straight miles. Awesome endurance that any athlete can appreciate.

    7/16/2003: USA 100Km Team for the 2003 IAU World Cup Selected
    The Mountain/Ultra/Trail (MUT) Council of USA Track & Field has selected the USA 100Km Team to compete in the 2003 IAU 100km World Cup. The 62.1-mile event, to be held November 16 in Tainan County, Taiwan, is the longest annual World Title footrace.
    The United States has enjoyed good success at the World 100K event, highlighted by the World and American records set in 1995, at Winschoten, The Netherlands. Bronze medalist, Tom Johnson's 6:30:11 American Record for the distance still stands today. Gold medalist Ann Trason set a then standing World mark of 7:00:47 in leading the USA women to a World Record Team effort (22:28:20).

    In 2000, Dan Held would take 4th in 6:33 in leading the USA Men to a second place silver medal, while the USA Women would capture the 3rd place bronze. In 2001 Rich Hanna surprised the World by racing to a 2nd place silver in Cleder, France. Over the last decade, American teams have garnered a total of eight team medals and three individual medalists.

    The twelve team members are:

    Men's Team:
    Charles Hubbard, Bloomington, MN
    Howard Nippert, Pembroke, VA
    Dusty Olsen, Duluth, MN
    Chad Ricklefs, Boulder, CO
    Bob Sweeney, Ryebrook, NY
    Alex Tilson, Burlingame, CA

    Mark Godale (1st alternate)
    Dan Verrington (2nd alternate)
    Jim Hage (3rd alternate)


    Women's Team:
    Connie Gardner, Medina, OH
    Ann Heaslett, Madison, WI
    Nikki Kimball, Elizabethtown, NY
    Tania Pacev, Littleton, CO
    Jen Pfeifer, Sacramento, CA
    Anne Riddle, Asheville, NC

    Laura Nelson (1st alternate)
    Jenny Capel (2nd alternate)
    Danielle Cherniak (3rd alternate)
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