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**Guest** · 08-05-2003, 08:24 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

Uhhhhhhhhh...

**Guest** · 08-05-2003, 08:52 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

I think you need more than a few more lessons in the English language!

**Brazilian Track fan** · 08-05-2003, 09:01 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

Last time I checked these was a internet forum not a english class.
I a believe that i made my point clear besides the mistakes, and yes I need some lessons in english but I know a little, if you are so smart maybe I should write in portuguese and you would get it, right?

**Guest** · 08-05-2003, 09:03 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

Tim is like Lerroy Burrel who was world record holder but never won any major individual gold medal.

**197hjsteve** · 08-05-2003, 09:04 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

good answer, BT f, to KF. I bet he knows not one single word of Portugese, any more than all the rest of us.

Let's all be a little better spirited here !

**Brazilian Track fan** · 08-05-2003, 09:15 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

Thanks 197hjsteve, I believe that all of us are here because we like to talk about our sport and that's what we should do.

**Guest** · 08-05-2003, 09:41 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

Well I have no Portugese (in fact I just hit the back button to see how to spell it), although I take pride in being able to order beer in any language. However, BTF, one does need to leave your couch in order to run at all! (written in jest)

**Guest** · 08-06-2003, 08:39 AM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

<even whithout being his old self Maurice Greene was really the fastest man on earth, with his 3 world titles outdoor, his 1 world tittle indoor and Olympic tittle>

that is what mo has been saying about tim, that he has never won a world or olympic title. unless he does that he cant call himself the fastest or the best ever. truth is that tim clocked 9.84 and 9.85 in 2001 and could have won in that year had it not been for maurice's amazing first 60 (in edmonton). both have performed well off their high standards this year, but mo has stayed with the same coach and has won the worlds three times before so you can't write him off. it is possible that mo has not run a race seriously this year (save the race in la he went under 10) and could serious in the next 3 weeks. on the other hand monty has been basking in the glow of his world record way too much and every race he enters he claims he will break the meet record and run sub 10. his best race was in osaka in may and has not come close since then. he has changed coaches three times since last year and i doubt he has had a good month of consistent training. i am sure the birth of his son is a distraction, but he had a daughter (with another woman by the way) in 2001 and that did not impact him that much. i doubt that he runs any more races in europe and does not get to paris until the 20th. there is a good chance he does not show up to paris at all claiming he is injured and rehabing so he could be ready for next year. if that is the case this will be the biggest humiliation for a world record holder in recent memory.

**Brazilian Track fan** · 08-06-2003, 01:56 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

I agree with you, Thanos.
He is not ready to run in the WC, and I think that he will not be in the finals.
Without his perfect tail wind he would not be the wr holder, and now even with his perfect tail wind he is not going to win the WC.
After what he said before the DN Galan, that he would run 9.87 we see how far from reality he is.

**Guest** · 08-06-2003, 05:38 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

The way I look at it, Montgomery ran with a legal tail-wind behind him, he didn't test positive for any banned substances and his time was faster than the existing world-record.
Flash-back to 68' Charles Green won the AAU title,the Olympic Trials title but lost to Jim Ray Hines who happened to run a 9.95 world-recrd in the altitude. Should he have been villifed for that accomplishment? (I think not).
Peace JP

**Alan** · 08-06-2003, 07:07 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

Indeed, when you adjust for wind and altitude, Montgomery's WR ranks only 14th all-time. Go to:

http://desert.jsd.claremont.edu/~newt/t ... index.html

When the page comes up, leave all the settings alone (including the blank line) and just click at the bottom on "View Rankings." You're also free to opt for different settings, in addition, such as the all-time adjusted 200 rankings.

I would accept Montgomery's WR in a formal sense (he has the fastest time within our existing framework), but in no way (at this point in history) would I consider Montgomery the greatest sprinter of all time.

**tafnut** · 08-06-2003, 07:18 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

Thanks for the link - but here's question. The third adjusted time is a 9.83 for a 9.82 run into a 0.2 HEADWIND. Why is the adjusted time slower?

**bubba** · 08-06-2003, 07:21 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

altitude. 680m worth of it.

**tafnut** · 08-06-2003, 08:07 PM

Re: Tim Montgomery should not have broken de WR

oops - should have looked further - thanks

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