Predictions for Chinese National Games

[Powell]

Quite a lot of PBs and SBs already on the first day of the T&F competition, but nothing "WOW" about the results so far

I noticed one thing that is so "WOW" I'm wondering whether it's possible at all. Apparently Sun Yingjie, who won the Beijing marathon in 2:21:01 yesterday, finished second in the 10000 behind Xing Huing today in a time of 31:03.90.

Edit: I see Andrea beat me to it, but if this marathon/10000 double is true, it's the most amazing feat I've seen in a while and it deserves to be mentioned more than once 8)

[Jon]

Quite a lot of PBs and SBs already on the first day of the T&F competition, but nothing "WOW" about the results so far

I noticed one thing that is so "WOW" I'm wondering whether it's possible at all.

Many results (including the women's 10km) weren't on the results page when I posted my previous message, but I agree – the Mar/10km double by both Yingjie and Chunxiu is extremely impressive.

[paulthefan]

until they have some success at the MENS speed and power events (explicitly the sprints (hurdles, 100/200/400/800) and jumps along with the SP and discus) no one is going to take chinese athletics seriously... this is why Liu is so intriguing and captivating .. his talents suggest that it is possible for CHN to have a presence in this sport... but aside from him, CK Yang and a HJer from the 80s it is a veritable Gobi desert of accomplishments...

[Powell]

until they have some success at the MENS speed and power events (explicitly the sprints (hurdles, 100/200/400/800) and jumps along with the SP and discus) no one is going to take chinese athletics seriously

Why???
Are you saying you don't take Kenyan and Ethiopian athletics seriously? :shock:

[paulthefan]

Kenyan's have the WR in the 800 (and dont make me laugh by mentioning Denmark) and one of the highest marks in the 4X4..... .. butyour point is well taken.. Ill add the 1500 to that list...

[anggrek]

until they have some success at the MENS speed and power events (explicitly the sprints (hurdles, 100/200/400/800) and jumps along with the SP and discus) no one is going to take chinese athletics seriously... this is why Liu is so intriguing and captivating .. his talents suggest that it is possible for CHN to have a presence in this sport... but aside from him, CK Yang and a HJer from the 80s it is a veritable Gobi desert of accomplishments...

first of all, i didn't realize the whole of china was put on earth to somehow fit into your high standards of what they should or should not do.

second of all, C.K. Yang never represented china, but taiwan. and oh btw, he wasn't even Han Chinese, but an native aborigine (but i'm sure this is way beyond your comprehension).

third of all, chinese sports and athletic development is quite recent compared to many other countries. would we think there would be a Liu Xiang ten years ago? so maybe you are too impatient (not to mention smug and condescending) in your judgement.

if i recall correctly, chinese athletes won the men's discus and men's pole vault at the IAAF junior championships (in addition to women's TJ and another women's gold). so who knows what is to come???? just wait and see.

[Powell]

Kenyan's have the WR in the 800 (and dont make me laugh by mentioning Denmark) and one of the highest marks in the 4X4..... .. butyour point is well taken.. Ill add the 1500 to that list...

Ethiopia still doesn't meet your definition of a country whose athletics deserves respect. I doubt they care very much and I know I don't; but I'm still curious as to why the events you mentioned are so much more important than the others, apart from the fact that the US is successful in them.

[The Kitchen Cynic]

. . . .second of all, C.K. Yang never represented china, but taiwan. and oh btw, he wasn't even Han Chinese, but an native aborigine (but i'm sure this is way beyond your comprehension).

third of all, chinese sports and athletic development is quite recent compared to many other countries. would we think there would be a Liu Xiang ten years ago? so maybe you are too impatient (not to mention smug and condescending) in your judgement. . . .

Don't you think there's something self-contradictory about those two parentheticals?

[Jon]

A few more results:

http://www.tilastopaja.net/static_html/ng10.htm
(better link for results)

The women's 100mH was won by Liu Jing in 12.96. The times in the women's 100m semis were even slower than the heats – all between 11.6 and 11.9 (with Li Xuemei the slowest). Many PBs and SBs in the 1500m heats and Xing Huina is safely through to the final (she's going for three golds) but no one ran faster than 4:10.

[paulthefan]

first of all, i didn't realize the whole of china was put on earth to somehow fit into your high standards of what they should or should not do.
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Then you and I my dear have a great deal in common, but you will have to do more than find common ground with me. You will have to enlighten me to truely win my affection.

second of all, C.K. Yang never represented china, but taiwan. and oh btw, he wasn't even Han Chinese, but an native aborigine (but i'm sure this is way beyond your comprehension).

Im sure you are aware of the migrations across that strait over the past 20 thousand years.... and/but of course everyone knows that C.K. represented Taiwan, .. and of course everyone knows also that it is today considered
by even the US govt to be a province of China... Nixon saw to that..

third of all, chinese sports and athletic development is quite recent compared to many other countries. would we think there would be a Liu Xiang ten years ago? so maybe you are too impatient (not to mention smug and condescending) in your judgement.

no we wouldnt have .. hence my mentioning of the fascination with Liu... yes maybe I am too impatient... nevertheless no one will take them seriously until a few more like Liu are ushered in..... as for me being smug and condescending... assure yourelf of this... your flattering of me will not get you anything that I would not have given you freely.

if i recall correctly, chinese athletes won the men's discus and men's pole vault at the IAAF junior championships (in addition to women's TJ and another women's gold). so who knows what is to come???? just wait and see.

Im waiting .. Im waiting.. ... I look forward to a mens PV or a Deca or even a mens 800 medal someday, ... CHN in a relay 4x4 world final woudl be fun too.

[Andrea_T]

Definitely much to look forward to for the future in China. On the face of it the men's 400m times dont look great, but then look at the DOB's and we see that the first 3 are 21 and the 4th is 20. The winner of the mens 10k is just 20, the top two in the PV are 20 and 17, the top two in the mens LJ are 22.
On the women's side the 100m wasnt too bad (11.34 for gold, faster than any Bris this year) and the 400m winner in 51.95 is 22. Of the 12 qualifiers in the 1500 all but two are 21 or below, both ht winners being 19.

I do think things have been set in motion for 2008.

[Jon]

On the women's side the 100m wasnt too bad (11.34 for gold, faster than any Bris this year) and the 400m winner in 51.95 is 22. Of the 12 qualifiers in the 1500 all but two are 21 or below, both ht winners being 19.

Emma Ania has several 11.35-11.37 clockings which would have been intrinsically faster than the 11.34 with +1.9m/s wind. Plus, Britain have a 14-year-old who could have placed fourth in that CNG final! Comparing the 400m to Britain makes that appear quite unimpressive too, if you think that Ohuruogu ran 50.50 at 20 years old last year and now at 21 has several other 50.xx clockings to her name.

10km and throws aside, the results read very much like the AAA's results which, for a nation with 20 times the population of the UK, isn't much to shout about. Granted, the ages of the athletes are generally a couple years younger, but that's nothing new – China always have youngsters putting in one or two great performances and then disappearing.

[Andrea_T]

I was making the point that you can criticise the 100m times but 11.34 is actually a decent time by a young woman, especially if we consider 11.33 is the best time by a german this year and 11.35 by a Brit, countries which have a long tradition in sprinting. Re the 400m, I would expect Britain to have better results here as they have been consistent in this event for the last 20 yrs more so than in the 100/200, and are current world 4x4 bronze medalists after all!

I think the age point is significant, especially regarding the mens events. I'd expect to see a gradual improvement in Chinese performances on the mens side leading to 2008, and some of those young women from the 10k are sure to make an impact at the Olympics.

[26mi235]

To make a REALl impact in the 10,000 it appears that you have to also be able to finish in 60 seconds.

[Powell]

To make a REALl impact in the 10,000 it appears that you have to also be able to finish in 60 seconds.

I would call winning the Olympic gold making a real impact, even if the last lap is as 'slow' as Xing's was last year (around 61.5 seconds, I believe)