It was 20 years ago today...

[eldrick]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

i agree. svetlana masterkova's mile from zurich '96 is probably the best clean performance ever at the 1.5k/mile distance. if i remember correctly, track & field news converted her 4:12.56 mile as being worth 3:53.85.

that conversion is with the standard 1.08 factor used for converting between 1.5k/1M races & 3k/2M races

however, svetly had superb 1'56.04 speed that year, which makes that conversion slightly ungenerous to her - i get a figure more like

~3'53.6

it's a bit pedantic to quibble over ~ 2/10, but at this rarified level, she shoud fight for every 0.01s which is her due !

[MCFLY]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

>Look at these too

Hassiba Boulmerka 3:55.30
Gabriela Szabo 8:21.42
Paula
>Radcliffe 30:01.09<

svetly's 4'12 wr is intrinsically far superior to bouly's time - if she'd run a 1.5k that day instead, her time wouda been ~ mid-3'53

imho, the actual 1.5k wr is svetly with ~ 3'53.5

i agree. svetlana masterkova's mile from zurich '96 is probably the best clean performance ever at the 1.5k/mile distance. if i remember correctly, track & field news converted her 4:12.56 mile as being worth 3:53.85.

obviously marion jones's mark is considered questionable because of the balco scandel, but specifically which of the others are questionable, too?

[gh]

desire to get rid of bad calls on flat throws, so new implement basically always lands point-first

[anggrek]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

>>record will last another generation or two or ten...<<

if they hadn't changed the women's jav specs, that record would have outlasted dirt.

tell me now, why did they change the women's javelin? it's not like they were hitting 100 m like the men's.

[eldrick]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

>Look at these too

Hassiba Boulmerka 3:55.30
Gabriela Szabo 8:21.42
Paula
>Radcliffe 30:01.09<

svetly's 4'12 wr is intrinsically far superior to bouly's time - if she'd run a 1.5k that day instead, her time wouda been ~ mid-3'53

imho, the actual 1.5k wr is svetly with ~ 3'53.5

[Rog]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

>it's a part of track & field history, none-the-less. i, too, am saddened that
>these "records" are still in places. everybody look at this:

Marion Jones
>10.70
Merlene Ottey 21.64
Marie Jose-Perec 48.25
Ana Quirot
>1:54.44...

how refreshing does that list look. i mean just looking at the
>marita koch race is, i believe, evidence of her drug use. the race was poorly
>executed! she started to tie up in the final few strides of the race.
>obviously it wasn't her technique that fueled those records.

Hassiba Boulmerka 3:55.30
Gabriela Szabo 8:21.42
Paula Radcliffe 30:01.09

The ironic thing is that there are question marks against several of the names you have mentioned above. I don't agree that Koch's run was poorly executed - she only tied up at the end and she had been running at a faster pace than ever before, plus there was a headwind in the home straight and no-one close to her. You must be very difficult to please!

[bf]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

We'll never know....

[Fielding Melish]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

Look at these too

Hassiba Boulmerka 3:55.30
Gabriela Szabo 8:21.42
Paula Radcliffe 30:01.09

[MCFLY]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

it's a part of track & field history, none-the-less. i, too, am saddened that these "records" are still in places. everybody look at this:

Marion Jones 10.70
Merlene Ottey 21.64
Marie Jose-Perec 48.25
Ana Quirot 1:54.44...

how refreshing does that list look. i mean just looking at the marita koch race is, i believe, evidence of her drug use. the race was poorly executed! she started to tie up in the final few strides of the race. obviously it wasn't her technique that fueled those records.

[dukehjsteve]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

Even allowing for the fact
>that Mendez probably hasn't peaked yet, I'd doubt she has those Felke-esque
>throws in her.

Yeah, but Felke had "stuff" in her that Menendez does not.

[mike renfro]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

>Is it time or intentional ignorance that allows you guys to marvel at these
>"women's" "feats"?

Nah, just a belief in better living through chemistry :-)

[KevinM]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

Is it time or intentional ignorance that allows you guys to marvel at these "women's" "feats"?

[MCFLY]

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>You can check out a video of that race at the link below. There are also clips
>of the likes of Ashford, Gohr, Kratochvilova, Flo Jo etc but the Marita Koch
>400 is the highlight (for me anyway).

Watching the run you get an impression
>of overwhelmingly relaxed form for the first 300 (she had incredible
>technique), despite going through that point in 34.1 , and the other thing that
>may strike you is how slim she is - her upper body isn't muscular like her
>counterparts today.
>

http://www.thehotspotonline.com/blahbla ... cheats.htm


thanks for the link! i've never seen those races before...

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

>>With the
>old spec Jav, Menedez (sp) might hit 80m.

No way. Comparing the
>world lists before and after the change, the new specifications might have made
>the throws shorter by at most 2-3 meters.

Trine Hattestad is a good example here - WC with the old spec, WR and OG with the new. Her pbs were 72.12m and 69.48m respectively (set 7 years apart). Even allowing for the fact that Menendez probably hasn't peaked yet, I'd doubt she has those Felke-esque throws in her.

Edit - sp

[Powell]

Re: It was 20 years ago today...

>With the
>old spec Jav, Menedez (sp) might hit 80m.

No way. Comparing the world lists before and after the change, the new specifications might have made the throws shorter by at most 2-3 meters.