Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

[Randy Treadway]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

>Exactly. What was Drummond's recourse?

*Understand the proper appeal procedure within the Rules, being careful that you have the Rules straight (Dwight Stones had this down cold).
*Exercise that procedure.
*When that procedure has been exhausted, give it up and respectfully withdraw, after honestly thanking the officials for their consideration of your case. EVEN IF YOU THINK THEY MADE THE WRONG DECISION!

[Guest]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

No name, (sorry horse)
You are undermining yourself further every time you post. Your alias is perfect! Your name is not 'out there.' His is. Please now post your full name and address, so I can start a thread about how judgmental you are, and that you have no idea what it must have felt like to be in his position. If you can't do that, I guess I win by default.

[Guest]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

pull up the iaaf site and read the bios on the illustrious rule makers! you might really be surprised....

[Guest]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

"No name, (sorry horse)
You are undermining yourself further every time you post. Your alias is perfect! Your name is not 'out there.' His is. Please now post your full name and address, so I can start a thread about how judgmental you are, and that you have no idea what it must have felt like to be in his position. If you can't do that, I guess I win by default. "

Once again, I think you are missing the point.

The fact that my name is not 'out there' is irrelevant. This is a message board about TRACK AND FIELD, on which the posters discuss the current events in the sport.

Jon Drummond IS part of the current events in the sport. I am NOT. Moreover, THIS THREAD is about JON DRUMMOND.

That's the way the board works: people start threads about track and field subjects that interest them.

The other posters then weigh in on the subjects; in most cases, people have differing opinions (as is the case here). Why am I not allowed to be critical of Jon Drummond? Are you seriously saying that ANYONE would have resorted to behaving like a 3-year-old when placed in that position?

Additionally, why would we discuss me on this message board, given the fact that:

a. this board as a whole is about track and field and

b. this particular thread is about Jon Drummond

You still have not explained this to us. Please do so, it would be very helpful.

Thanks.

[tafnut]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

I'm outing myself. Say what? = tafnut (real name has already been posted several times). Please go read the thread I started about bashing people. MY POINT is that you wish to bash Jon Drummond, and you think that's OK. But fair is fair, so you should identify yourself as well. MY POINT was NEVER about JD, it was about people, like yourself, who have no problem criticizing specific individuals when they know NOTHING about what the athlete is going through. NO THREAD is ever about the thread itself, or even the original intent - it's about whatever is significant that we wish to talk about. I was addressing your need to criticize a man who so obviously is already down and out. What he did, he must bear the burden of himself. It DISserves us all to continue to heap abuse upon him.

[gm]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

Here's the list of the folks who would have had to approve the rule in question:

IAAF Technical Committee

Chairman:
Jorge Salcedo (POR)

Members:
Gabriel Abad San Martin (ESP)
Filbert Bayi (TAN)
Erich Bremicker (GER)
Jorge Echezaretta (URU)
Vivian Gungaram (MRI)
Al Guy (IRL)
Victor Lopez (PUR)
Mahgoub Saeed Maghoub (SUD)
Jésus Molina Hernandez (CUB)
Robert S. Ouko (KEN)
Oleg Riakhovsky (RUS)
Anna Riccardi (ITA)
Cecil Smith (CAN)
P. Solomon (MAS)
Kari Wauhkonen (FIN)
Denis Wilson (AUS)

Honorary Life Chairman:
Carl-Gustav Tollemar (SWE)

I looked up all of them and found information on most. None of them really fall into the category of "fat old men" and I imagine Ms. Riccardi would be quite offended by being called that.

In fact, Louise, many of them are still quite fit and I bet they could bend over and move blocks several times in a row.

Name calling is a poor way to back up your point of view.

[Guest]

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"I'm outing myself. Say what? = tafnut (real name has already been posted several times). Please go read the thread I started about bashing people. MY POINT is that you wish to bash Jon Drummond, and you think that's OK. But fair is fair, so you should identify yourself as well. MY POINT was NEVER about JD, it was about people, like yourself, who have no problem criticizing specific individuals when they know NOTHING about what the athlete is going through. NO THREAD is ever about the thread itself, or even the original intent - it's about whatever is significant that we wish to talk about. I was addressing your need to criticize a man who so obviously is already down and out. What he did, he must bear the burden of himself. It DISserves us all to continue to heap abuse upon him."

OK, few things:

First, thanks for that post; I think the tone of this conversation is now improving from where it was yesterday.

You say that if I feel the need to criticize Drummond, I should identify myself. I'm not sure why I should feel the need to do so. There are many posts on various threads in this board that could be classified as criticisms. Should everybody who criticizes anyone be obligated to identify themselves? If you feel that's the case, I think there is a large number of people on every thread that you should single out.

Additionally, you talk about my need to criticize a man who is down and out. My criticisms are simply based on my perception of gentlemanly behavior. I have seen many cases of disqualifications in big meets in which the disqualified athletes did not behave like Drummond. Instead, they respectfully walked off the track, acknowledging that they had broken the rules (Linford Christie in 96 is a big exception to this). True, I don't know exactly what was going on in Drummond's head; how could I? However, I think I have the right to make observations that are based on comparisons of Drummond's behavior to that of other world-class athletes in similar situations.

[tafnut]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

No name, (obviously, I have not been addressing just him)
Good enough. I hope that the tone of this board is always civil, and you HAVE been that. Thanks.

[Guest]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

I have seen
>many cases of disqualifications in big meets in
>which the disqualified athletes did not behave
>like Drummond. Instead, they respectfully
>walked off the track, acknowledging that they
>had broken the rules (Linford Christie in 96 is
>a big exception to this). True, I don't know
>exactly what was going on in Drummond's head;
>how could I? However, I think I have the right
>to make observations that are based on
>comparisons of Drummond's behavior to that of
>other world-class athletes in similar
>situations.>

The difference with Drummond and Christie cases were that they vehemently did not feel they false started. If they had committed an obvious infraction they may have very well simply walked off the track.

I still say let the runner back in the blocks and leave it up to an after race appeal.

jd

[Guest]

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I feel that we are all putting in our 2 cents, and really don't understand the real compassion for competing. Jon Drummond was told as a young child that he would be slow mentally, and probably never be able to walk. Now we know him as the "Clown Prince," and the man with the fastest reaction time in the world. Drummond wanted to race, and he wanted to win. Although, Drummond acted mentally younger than his age; our words and negative remarks can even compare to what this man has gone through in his life. He has conquered much more than a gold medal from the Olympics or Worlds. Lets all remember that!

[Guest]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

Sorry, I meant to say never compare to what has happen in his life.

[Randy Treadway]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

>was told as a young child that he would be slow mentally

If he's been told that much of his life (and I have no reason to believe that they were correct), maybe that's why he's so quick to assume that anybody who criticizes an ACTION of his, must really hate HIM.

Criticism of actions and personal hate are two entirely different things.

I can like somebody as a person very much, yet intensely dislike something that they do.

Since 99.9% of us have never met Drummond, I'd say that NONE of us really hate him. But he seems to be convinced otherwise.

[Guest]

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Well if he came on here and read some of the remarks posted about him, I don't see it being too far fetched for him to think that. I have seen many attacks on him as a person and his character.

[Guest]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

Since 99.9% of us have never met
>Drummond, I'd say that NONE of us really hate
>him. But he seems to be convinced otherwise.>

Based on some of the holier than thou comments on this board this statement is absolutely absurd.

[Guest]

Re: Jon Drummond - an embarrassment

nope..you looked up wrong committee..the council approved it...try again!