Seniors can't catch the Pidgeon

[paddyb]

Again - Qu and Wang did not test positive. lets deal with facts and not speculation. Trevor Graham has had a few athletes test positive but no-one is saying Gatlin is on anything and rightfully so. innocent until proven guilty (not guilty by association)[/list]

[figo]

according to the article, about a dozen track athletes got booted off the chinese olympic team.
all of Ma's athletes except for one were booted.
so tell me, why in the name of god, the top chinese running coach of all time has none of his athletes going to the games after they've set all the world records?
what in the hell would you say if the US showed up at the olympics without any of their stars, like none of them.

i will go ahead and speculate my dear friend.
i for one don't buy those Ma records. not for one second.

[eldrick]

i'm sure we've had other athletes in history run ridiculous daily volumes of work ( close to a marathon/day ) - this obviously gives them great endurance ( if they can keep it up )

however, this is not the way to go about building speed - that regime will be great for marathon times, but NOT 800/1500/3000

[mump boy]

Again - Qu and Wang did not test positive. lets deal with facts and not speculation. Trevor Graham has had a few athletes test positive but no-one is saying Gatlin is on anything and rightfully so. innocent until proven guilty (not guilty by association)[/list]

bu id he came out of nowhere ran 9.5, 18.8, 42.5 , 1.40 and 3.23 then dissapeared.

i thknk we would all be saying somthing

Wang etc were blatently on something you only have to watch 3k form stuttgart it's obvious Liu Dong ran sub 2min for the last 800 in her 1500 win !!

what they were on is another matter

the one thing i will say for then is thay ran with out fear or limits they had no idea that 8.06 is a ridiculous time for 3k and therefore it didn't scare them.

thay opened up the doors for many women to challenge the previous records. which were all rather weak considering they were all in comparitively new events.

discounting CHN records to this day Paulas marathon record is the only one that is where it should be.

[gh]

Emily Pidgeon, meet Jo Pavey

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/5185708.stm

[EPelle]

Apropos catching the Pidgeon: Front-page article on Pidgeon titled, "In 2012, they will struggle to catch the Pidgeon", reveals that Pidgeon will concentrate on the 10.000m in 2012, but after that, she will take the marathon route.

[imaginative]

Again - Qu and Wang did not test positive. lets deal with facts and not speculation. Trevor Graham has had a few athletes test positive but no-one is saying Gatlin is on anything and rightfully so. innocent until proven guilty (not guilty by association)[/list]

While I agree with the principle, this quote is a bit ironic with hindsight.

[Kai88]

Looking at this thread again after a couple of years of it being created, it does go to prove i suppose that too much pressure shouldn't be put on junior athletes. Things rarely go on smooth upward curves and progressive imporvements are unlikely year after year....

Emily Pidgeon did improve her 1500m PB this season to 4.13.56
However she has still not improved on her 2006 PBs in the 3000m and 5000m, however she did record a 9.08 3000m in a mixed race this year.

Not sure what her focus distance wise is for 2010. Haven't seen any results that i can think of this winter and has not done XC as far as i can tell. The Euro XC always seemed to be part of her plans in years before, and was very successful at them as well.

I was very impressed by young Brit Georgia Peel this year. Born 1994
800m - 2.06.20
1500m - 4.16.24
3000m - 9.23.41

However after seeing how hyped up we all were over Emily Pidgeon, will just hope that she runs similar times this year and stays in the sport. She did win the World School Games earlier in December over 1K though

[mump boy]

Looking at this thread again after a couple of years of it being created, it does go to prove i suppose that too much pressure shouldn't be put on junior athletes. Things rarely go on smooth upward curves and progressive imporvements are unlikely year after year....

Emily Pidgeon did improve her 1500m PB this season to 4.13.56
However she has still not improved on her 2006 PBs in the 3000m and 5000m, however she did record a 9.08 3000m in a mixed race this year.

Not sure what her focus distance wise is for 2010. Haven't seen any results that i can think of this winter and has not done XC as far as i can tell. The Euro XC always seemed to be part of her plans in years before, and was very successful at them as well.

I was very impressed by young Brit Georgia Peel this year. Born 1994
800m - 2.06.20
1500m - 4.16.24
3000m - 9.23.41

However after seeing how hyped up we all were over Emily Pidgeon, will just hope that she runs similar times this year and stays in the sport. She did win the World School Games earlier in December over 1K though

there was a lot of hype around emily but there were even more problems with problematic parents and coach etc

i'm just pleased she's still running and hopefully back on track :-)

[gh]

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there was a lot of hype around emily but there were even more problems with problematic parents and coach etc...

Unfortunately, it's almost a given that child prodigies--particularly of the distance type--will come with problematic (read, domineering) parent and/or coach.

[jjimbojames]

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there was a lot of hype around emily but there were even more problems with problematic parents and coach etc...

Unfortunately, it's almost a given that child prodigies--particularly of the distance type--will come with problematic (read, domineering) parent and/or coach.

...which is exactly why I think Kai88 and others may well face disappointment. A number of the top Junior distance girls (especially) in the UK are being worked hard already - I'd be surprised (and hopefully I'm wrong) if they improved massively between now and the next 5 years

[Daisy]

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there was a lot of hype around emily but there were even more problems with problematic parents and coach etc...

Unfortunately, it's almost a given that child prodigies--particularly of the distance type--will come with problematic (read, domineering) parent and/or coach.

Now the coach is being sued by a different athlete. The guy sounds like a nightmare.

See the quote below from an article by Steven Downes titled "Top British athlete claims in High Court career was ruined by coach"

This week the athletes mother told the court that Farrow went "over the top" in monitoring her son’s progress.

"I think it is unreasonable to ring up every day and to ask what he was doing every hour of the day - why he was late coming back from school, who he has been seeing, and what he has eaten," she said in evidence.

.......

Farrow's barrister, Timothy Meakin, told the court it was entirely reasonable for the coach to keep a close eye on an athlete's diet, acting as a "very diligent coach - concerned about Richard's welfare and development".

.......

[The coach] continued to have Davenport train even when a stress fracture was apparent, and that Farrow failed to seek appropriate medical assistance.

Davenport’s barrister, Jonathan Hand, claims it should have been obvious he had a back problem, but the coach either “"ignored or made light of these complaints".

Source

[26mi235]

some US prodigies do not seem to come from domineering parents. Hasay does not seem to fit that profile, and neither did Decker (dad was gone many years back and mom was not a big pusher, I do not think). How about our two poster children in the debates about who is better (AF/SR)?

Yes, some are burn-out candidates, but those that get there by smart, consistent training rather than a ton of miles seem to do better.

Of course, those that are very good very early are much more likely, in a statistical sense, to be those that have bodies that evolve in a time path that makes their early marks relatively good relative to later marks (when compared to those that develop more 'normally'). However, Bolt was a pretty big prodigy and he seems to be continuing to develop pretty well.

[Gabriella]

some US prodigies do not seem to come from domineering parents.

In the UK I remember Olympic swimmer Sharon Davies telling the story of when she broke both her arms yet her father still made her train with her arms in plaster and covered in plastic bags. Now that's what I call a domineering parent.