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  • 18.99s
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    Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post

    Me, too. I describe myself as a meatatarian.

    Q: You know how you can always tell a vegetarian?

    A: No need to. They'll always tell you they are.
    Usually that's only after a meat eater bugs them about why their meal doesn't have meat.

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  • bambam1729
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    Me, too. I describe myself as a meatatarian.

    Q: You know how you can always tell a vegetarian?

    A: No need to. They'll always tell you they are.

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  • El Toro
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    Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post

    Not exactly in the modern pentathlon. The problem in the modern pentathlon is that the athletes cannot bring their own horses. They ride horses selected from a pool and are randomly assigned to the riders. So the athletes have no idea what horse they are going to get or how good it is at jumping, following commands, etc. That was the problem in Tokyo. The German rider had a terrible horse that would not even attempt to jump a fence. The German rider was leading the competition until then but getting the bad horse basically took her out of contention for the win or a medal. That's why she and the coach were so mad (note: I do not condone punching the horse even despite this, however, although I did comment on twitter that the German coach's new nickname will obviously become "Mongo")
    Well, yes, the "unfamiliar horse" has been a fundamental component of the sport but this doesn't mean untrained horses.

    As far as I know, most of the horses used come from a show jumping/eventing background, so are familiar with the task required. In some cases, they have been bred from other successful show jumpers just like thoroughbreds are for racing.

    All the horses that have no facility for jumping are directed to less challenging activities such as trail riding or similar or just sent to the knackery, so they normally wouldn't be available for pentathlon.

    The organisers in London2012 selected only about a third of the original pool of nominated horses (~half physically trialled) in order to eliminate problematic horses. https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news...tathlon-313712

    Whether that many horses were available and whether that much care was taken in Tokyo, I just don't know. In some cases the horses were probably much better than the riders, so I don't think it's fair to blame the horses for every bad outcome.

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  • J Rorick
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    Reminds me of a famous quote. " I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants."

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  • gm
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  • bambam1729
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    Originally posted by tandfman View Post
    I'm trying to find words to express how little I care about anything relating to the riding event in thee modern pentathlon.
    I think you just did

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  • scottmitchell74
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    Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post

    My wife and I have no children and have always had dogs. Both big dog lovers and she is a huge animal lover, in general. But I think PETA's ultimate goal is that there be no humans on the earth and only animals and then the animals could do what they want with us not around to bother them.
    I listen to a Death Metal band called Cattle Decapitation and, well, I like their music but the bold quote above is their basic stance. Humans need to go. I notice they aren't volunteering to go first!

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  • rhizobium
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    Perhaps an obstacle course where the humans do all the work would be a good replacememt.

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  • rhizobium
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    Originally posted by gh View Post
    PETA wants horses out of the Olympics, period.

    https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/...an-go-olympics
    And water is wet.

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  • tandfman
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    I'm trying to find words to express how little I care about anything relating to the riding event in thee modern pentathlon.

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  • bambam1729
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    Originally posted by El Toro View Post
    True, as with all human/animal interactions, there's always uncertainty. However, these horses have been bred and trained to be better than 99.9999% of horses at doing what's currently necessary in a modern pentathlon.
    Not exactly in the modern pentathlon. The problem in the modern pentathlon is that the athletes cannot bring their own horses. They ride horses selected from a pool and are randomly assigned to the riders. So the athletes have no idea what horse they are going to get or how good it is at jumping, following commands, etc. That was the problem in Tokyo. The German rider had a terrible horse that would not even attempt to jump a fence. The German rider was leading the competition until then but getting the bad horse basically took her out of contention for the win or a medal. That's why she and the coach were so mad (note: I do not condone punching the horse even despite this, however, although I did comment on twitter that the German coach's new nickname will obviously become "Mongo")

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  • bambam1729
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    Originally posted by gh View Post
    PETA wants horses out of the Olympics, period.
    https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/...an-go-olympics
    My wife and I have no children and have always had dogs. Both big dog lovers and she is a huge animal lover, in general. But I think PETA's ultimate goal is that there be no humans on the earth and only animals and then the animals could do what they want with us not around to bother them.

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  • gh
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    PETA wants horses out of the Olympics, period.

    https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/...an-go-olympics

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  • El Toro
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    Originally posted by lonewolf View Post
    Horses have been domesticated for centuries/millennia and can be trained to do the will of man but any horse is ridden/controlled only with its permission at the moment.
    True, as with all human/animal interactions, there's always uncertainty. However, these horses have been bred and trained to be better than 99.9999% of horses at doing what's currently necessary in a modern pentathlon.

    The fact that they perform very well for strange riders in difficult circumstances is a strong indicator that if used on a simple tasks like riding in a straight line they would do that successfully.

    However, if we're talking about random horses bought at auction the week before, well, that's another thing I'd pay to see! And some more if they're unbroken.

    On a semi-related tangent, I went to school with a long jumper who also broke horses and competed in rodeo but his main sport growing up in a very uncultered town was ballet. His mother ran the local ballet studio, so he had no choice. He didn't stick with it after he left school.

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  • lonewolf
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    Originally posted by El Toro View Post
    If you can't get on a strange horse and ride it in a straight line, it's definitely you that needs punching in the head not the horse!
    Horses have been domesticated for centuries/millennia and can be trained to do the will of man but any horse is ridden/controlled only with its permission at the moment.

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