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  • Originally posted by El Toro View Post

    I'm also not sure if recent relay efforts were truly focused or just a fall back effort.
    Well, I think they would have been more focussed if we had sent them to the World Relays but we know what happened (or didn't happen) with that.

    Our 2019 team (including one retired member & two not fast enough to feature in this year's top ten) ran 43.17 to qualify for the final in 5th place, so there's plenty of potential.

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    • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
      With 100m PBs for Basic, Day & Beecher this week, it's sad we don't have a 4x100m team in Tokyo, but things looks hopeful for Comm Games next year. Our top ten - so far - in 2021

      11.16 Basic
      11.31 Day
      11.39 Lane
      11.44 Beecher
      11.47 Mucci
      11.47 Masters
      11.48 Beahan
      11.49 Cruttenden U20
      11.50 Quirk
      11.55 Lewis U18

      Comparing the seasonal bests of our national 4x100m record & previous long-standing record teams shows that our current crop should have few problems getting below 43 seconds with some practice together: Hopefully a few relay events on the 2022 domestic programme vs teams from NZL at least.

      42.99A - 2000 SOUTH AFRICAN TOUR TEAM
      11.24 Gainsford-Taylor
      11.47 Lambert
      11.57 Broadrick
      11.61A Massey

      43.18 - 1976 OLYMPIC TEAM
      11.22 Boyle
      11.47 Wells
      11.50 Boyd
      11.68 Wilson
      Lambert and Broadrick weren't starters and I think those 2000 seasons bests hide better top end speed bringing the current crop closer to those four. Same goes for MGT. Massey a great starter too.

      Day and Basic finalists at a European Summer Comm Games based on their current form, can't imagine anyone would sacrifice that chance to run a relay unless you were getting significant support from the national body as they have here in the UK.

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      • Originally posted by Speedster View Post

        Lambert and Broadrick weren't starters and I think those 2000 seasons bests hide better top end speed bringing the current crop closer to those four. Same goes for MGT. Massey a great starter too.

        Day and Basic finalists at a European Summer Comm Games based on their current form, can't imagine anyone would sacrifice that chance to run a relay unless you were getting significant support from the national body as they have here in the UK.
        Speedster, you identified the eternal defficiency in AUS women sprinters - the start. Basic is probably the first with a well developed start and transition that matches modern international "standard technique" even though the fast times are not their yet.

        While some of the others were "fast", this was in comparison to their domestic peers. Even though Boyle/Johnson were probably the best internationally in the post-70 era, both also had a better top end than start.

        If MGT had done what Basic does, she would have an 11 flat sprinter because, as you say, that top end! She was as good as anybody from 50-150 in a 200, just not equally great at the start and would tighten up too much at the end.

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        • Van Heer was our best starter of the last 25 years, but she only got to compete in one international 100m

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          • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
            Van Heer was our best starter of the last 25 years, but she only got to compete in one international 100m
            Since 1996? Yeah, that's probably right. She got out of the blocks fast but I don't think she had as good a transition as Johnson had or Basic has.

            Maybe that's because I'm remembering her stuff ups when struggling with injury and not the good ones. I certainly didn't watch all her races.

            I don't suppose there's any good video easily available that I can use to test my feeble recollections against visual reality?

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            • Originally posted by El Toro View Post

              I don't suppose there's any good video easily available that I can use to test my feeble recollections against visual reality?
              This is about as good as it gets - https://www.google.com/search?q=tani...hrome&ie=UTF-8

              Sadly no footage of her opening leg in the winning CG 4x100m relay.

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              • Me and Raelene coming for sprinters who can't start! Show me better sprint technique than Betty Cuthbert. Fact.

                Pearson holds the NR for the indoor 60m and is probably our best starter from the last 25 years, it's what made her a great hurdler.

                MGT said it when she confirmed she had a Ferrari engine in a Volkswagen body. Her story with Byrne amazing but I wonder what another coach and environment might have done.

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                • Gateshead II Diamond League 13 July

                  Stewart McSweyn finished second in the 3000 with 7:28.94, just over a second behind Mohamed Katir who set a Spanish NR and a MR of 7:27.64. The MR was 7:29.70 by Haile Gebreselassie, so McSweyn also surpassed Geb. That's no mean feat.

                  There was a close battle for third between Butchart (GBR), Krop (KEN) and Mathew Ramsden with finishing times within half a second of each other - 7:35.18, .34 and .65, respectively.

                  This was a 10 second PB for Ramsden, pushing him from 15th AUS alltime to 4th ahead of luminaries such as Tiernan, Creighton, Troop, Gregson and Doyle. He was the only one of three AUS runners to PB. McSweyn was only 0,9 off his but David McNeill, who's been having a stellar year, was ten second down on his with 7:49.32 back in 14th place.

                  Hannah Jones finished in last place (7th) with a 13.39 +1.5 100H

                  Peter Bol finished a solid 3rd in the 800 in 1:45.22 behind Isaiah Harris (USA) 1:44.76 and Wyclife Kinyamal (KEN) 1:44.91.

                  More importantly, Boll beat 5 runners with better PBs than him, including sub 1:43 runners Murphy (USA) and Amel Tuka (BIH).

                  Old man Jeff Riseley clearly didn't service his zimmer frame before this race, finishing well back in the 10th with a 1:50.05. Hopefully, he can recover his recent surge in performance by the time Tokyo rolls around.

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                  • Originally posted by Speedster View Post
                    Me and Raelene coming for sprinters who can't start! Show me better sprint technique than Betty Cuthbert. Fact.
                    Just rewatched OG56! Thanks for the push.

                    Originally posted by Speedster View Post
                    Pearson holds the NR for the indoor 60m and is probably our best starter from the last 25 years, it's what made her a great hurdler.
                    She had a great hurdles start but that didn't seem to translate fully to her flat 100s for some reason. But if we just look at her power out she probably was. But is Basic now better?

                    Originally posted by Speedster View Post
                    MGT said it when she confirmed she had a Ferrari engine in a Volkswagen body. Her story with Byrne amazing but I wonder what another coach and environment might have done.
                    I'd say Ferrari engine with Ssangyong style. And yes, I'm just amazed that no (good) short sprinters seem to head to the USA college system compared to distance runners, especially given the historical strength of sprints vs distance. Maybe they are trying but just don't recruited.

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                    • Olympic athletes get told to use the tradesman's entrance because they aren't as high class as NRL players

                      Athletics Australia says it chose to keep eight of its Tokyo-bound athletes in Sydney rather than move them into hotel quarantine in Cairns amid suggestions the Queensland government is giving NRL players preferential treatment.

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                      • Originally posted by El Toro View Post
                        Hannah Jones finished in last place (7th) with a 13.39 +1.5 100H
                        She clobbered the 2nd, 3rd & 4th hurdles and could never get in the race as a result.

                        Originally posted by El Toro View Post
                        Old man Jeff Riseley clearly didn't service his zimmer frame before this race, finishing well back in the 10th with a 1:50.05. Hopefully, he can recover his recent surge in performance by the time Tokyo rolls around.
                        He said it may have been due to getting his 2nd jab of Pfizer (which can knock you around for a few days).

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                        • Originally posted by El Toro View Post
                          Gateshead II Diamond League 13 July

                          Stewart McSweyn finished second in the 3000 with 7:28.94, just over a second behind Mohamed Katir who set a Spanish NR and a MR of 7:27.64. The MR was 7:29.70 by Haile Gebreselassie, so McSweyn also surpassed Geb. That's no mean feat.

                          There was a close battle for third between Butchart (GBR), Krop (KEN) and Mathew Ramsden with finishing times within half a second of each other - 7:35.18, .34 and .65, respectively.

                          This was a 10 second PB for Ramsden, pushing him from 15th AUS alltime to 4th ahead of luminaries such as Tiernan, Creighton, Troop, Gregson and Doyle. He was the only one of three AUS runners to PB. McSweyn was only 0,9 off his but David McNeill, who's been having a stellar year, was ten second down on his with 7:49.32 back in 14th place.

                          Hannah Jones finished in last place (7th) with a 13.39 +1.5 100H

                          Peter Bol finished a solid 3rd in the 800 in 1:45.22 behind Isaiah Harris (USA) 1:44.76 and Wyclife Kinyamal (KEN) 1:44.91.

                          More importantly, Boll beat 5 runners with better PBs than him, including sub 1:43 runners Murphy (USA) and Amel Tuka (BIH).

                          Old man Jeff Riseley clearly didn't service his zimmer frame before this race, finishing well back in the 10th with a 1:50.05. Hopefully, he can recover his recent surge in performance by the time Tokyo rolls around.
                          McSweyn looks awfully smooth. He and Katir could have had cups of tea on their heads and not spilled a drop. Looking forward to seeing what else he does, this season.

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                          • JOENSUU - 14 JULY

                            800 Blake 1-47.91 (4th)
                            3000 Buckingham 7-49.85 (2nd)

                            1500 Davies 4-12.30 (1st) Batt-Doyle 4-12.53 (2nd)

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                            • Originally posted by El Toro View Post

                              Just rewatched OG56! Thanks for the push.



                              She had a great hurdles start but that didn't seem to translate fully to her flat 100s for some reason. But if we just look at her power out she probably was. But is Basic now better?



                              I'd say Ferrari engine with Ssangyong style. And yes, I'm just amazed that no (good) short sprinters seem to head to the USA college system compared to distance runners, especially given the historical strength of sprints vs distance. Maybe they are trying but just don't recruited.
                              Pearson ran 11.14 in Osaka in 2007 which was just off the NR so I would say it translated fair enough, power out a fair call also. Basic looks like a 100m sprinter with actual phases in the race and the results show that.

                              When you look at what they can do in the NCAA turning 11.60 junior sprinters into world beaters, I am surprised no female sprinters have really gone over to try it out. It's hard work and lots of stories of the brutal workload/breakdowns but at the same time, maybe the upswing on our juniors isn't as high and we train harder/specify sooner?

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                              • With only 14 days until the Tokyo men's steeple & women's 5k heats, some of our middle-distance runners are still competing tonight:

                                LAPINLAHTI - 16 JUL

                                1500 Blake, Buckingham

                                5000 Batt-Doyle, Davies

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