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  • BRISBANE - 4 DECEMBER

    100 (1.4) Hartmann 10.49 Wong (b04) 10.57 Degarnham 10.63 Clare (b02) 10.66 Kennedy (b03) 10.67
    400 Beck 45.95 Diffey 46.28 Bonney (b02) 46.92

    100 (0.1) Connolly 11.25 Reynolds (b03) 11.87
    400 Connolly 52.28

    In good conditions, Ella Connolly proves her windy 11.21w early in the year was no fluke and her 11.50 PB last week after returning from injury was merely a warm-up. She won by a mile. Moves ahead of Lauren Hewitt to be #10 AUS A/Time. And then she backed up for her first 400m in nearly two years with a half-second PB (#27 AUS A/Time).

    At just 21, amazing to remember she ran in the World Champs 4x4 four years ago. Hoping she can have an injury-free 2022.

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    • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
      BRISBANE - 4 DECEMBER
      100 (0.1) Connolly 11.25
      I've been working on an AUS W100m all-time listing using adjusted times. I've focused on on the most reliable times, auto with wind known, so it may not capture some performances. Even so, for Boyle, she only loses two times out of 22 sub-11.50 to non-auto times, so it's still pretty good.

      Treat it as a work in (slow) progress but here are the top 20 ranked times (24 performances) in order of adjusted times. Adjustments using the work of JRM.

      RankAdj TimeAdj Adjustment Competitor Mark WIND Venue Date
      1 11.11 0.23 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.34 -2.7 Melbourne 14-Mar-98
      1 11.11 0.09 Sally PEARSON 11.20 -1.2 Nivelles 23-Jun-12
      3 11.18 -0.02 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.16 0.4 Hechtel 19-Jul-97
      4 11.19 0.06 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.25 -0.7 Melbourne 2-Mar-97
      5 11.20 0.11 Sally PEARSON 11.31 -1.4 Adelaide 28-Jan-12
      6 11.21 0.00 Sally PEARSON 11.21 0.1 Sydney 19-Mar-11
      6 11.21 -0.02 Hana BASIC 11.19 0.3 Brisbane 27-Mar-21
      8 11.23 0.00 Raelene BOYLE 11.23 -0.2 München 2-Sep-72
      8 11.23 0.00 Raelene BOYLE 11.23 0.0 Montreal 25-Jul-76
      8 11.23 0.06 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.29 -0.7 Göteborg 7-Aug-95
      8 11.23 -0.01 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.22 0.0 Nürnberg 11-Jul-98
      8 11.23 0.03 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.26 -0.5 Stuttgart 19-Jul-98
      8 11.23 0.00 Nova PERIS-KNEEBONE 11.23 0.0 Darwin 26-Aug-98
      8 11.23 -0.03 Sally PEARSON 11.20 0.5 Perth 31-Mar-11
      15 11.24 0.04 Lauren HEWITT 11.28 -0.5 Sevilla 21-Aug-99
      15 11.24 -0.10 Sally PEARSON 11.14 1.7 Osaka 26-Aug-07
      15 11.24 0.00 Sally PEARSON 11.24 -0.1 Rieti 10-Sep-11
      15 11.24 -0.13 Melissa BREEN 11.11 1.9 Canberra 9-Feb-14
      19 11.25 -0.05 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.20 0.7 Athina 2-Aug-97
      19 11.25 0.05 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.30 -0.6 Osaka 9-May-98
      19 11.25 0.23 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.48 -2.7 Sydney 13-Feb-00
      19 11.25 0.14 Sally PEARSON 11.39 -1.7 Sydney 28-Feb-09
      19 11.25 0.00 Sally PEARSON 11.25 0.1 Brisbane 14-Jan-12
      19 11.25 0.00 Ella CONNOLLY 11.25 0.1 Brisbane 4-Dec-21

      Out of the 24 times, MGT has 9, Pearson 8, Boyle 2, and one each for Hewitt, NP-K, Breen, Basic, Connolly.

      I did some preliminary work on which sprinter had been affected the most by headwinds and it looks like MGT suffered the most. However, I'll have to review that before I post any detailed data.

      For example, she matched Connolly's weekend time of 11.25 but into a 2.7 headwind and also scored the number one ranked time of 11.11 from an 11.34 also into 2.7! It's a shame she didn't have better luck with her runs, because some modest assistance would have had her still the national record holder.

      Something for speedster to drool over!



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      • Dr Sophie Scamps - WJ gold medallist in 1990 - has decided to run as an independent in the next AUS election.

        And has support from Mike Carlton - son of 1932 200m world record beater Jim Carlton.

        scamps.jpg
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        • Originally posted by El Toro View Post

          I did some preliminary work on which sprinter had been affected the most by headwinds
          I wonder how much temperature adjustment might also play a factor.

          Boyle's 11.22 in the Montreal semis & Pearson's 11.17 from 2007 WC seems to be missing too (not sure if these are due to adjustment) - just wondering.
          Vault-emort
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          Last edited by Vault-emort; 12-05-2021, 06:38 AM.

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          • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post

            I wonder how much temperature adjustment might also play a factor.

            Boyle's 11.22 in the Montreal semis & Pearson's 11.17 from 2007 WC seems to be missing too (not sure if these are due to adjustment) - just wondering.
            People complain about temperature a lot but very fast times have been run in cold weather, so physically it doesn't make that much difference compared to wind, which has a definite and quantifiable impact with altitude being a relatively much smaller impact than wind.

            I've got Pearson's Osaka runs for H/QF/SF as 11.14 (+1.7), 11.31 (+0.6) and 11.32 (+-0.3). On that basis, the 11.14 heat time is in the list above with an adjusted time of 11.24.

            Boyle's 11.22 (+1.1) in semi-final 2 adjusts to 11.29, as of course does her 11.29 (0.0) from the quarters. Both are ranked =42 on the adjusted list.

            I've got 383 performances at 11.50 or better so far. I can post further down the list or by athlete if you are interested.

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            • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
              Dr Sophie Scamps - WJ gold medallist in 1990 - has decided to run as an independent in the next AUS election.
              Another generation of commentators get learn that her name is pronounced scomps! Longer article below.

              https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/pol...02-p59ecu.html

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              • Vote (1) Scomps!

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                • Originally posted by El Toro View Post

                  I've been working on an AUS W100m all-time listing using adjusted times. I've focused on on the most reliable times, auto with wind known, so it may not capture some performances. Even so, for Boyle, she only loses two times out of 22 sub-11.50 to non-auto times, so it's still pretty good.

                  Treat it as a work in (slow) progress but here are the top 20 ranked times (24 performances) in order of adjusted times. Adjustments using the work of JRM.
                  RankAdj TimeAdj Adjustment Competitor Mark WIND Venue Date
                  1 11.11 0.23 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.34 -2.7 Melbourne 14-Mar-98
                  1 11.11 0.09 Sally PEARSON 11.20 -1.2 Nivelles 23-Jun-12
                  3 11.18 -0.02 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.16 0.4 Hechtel 19-Jul-97
                  4 11.19 0.06 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.25 -0.7 Melbourne 2-Mar-97
                  5 11.20 0.11 Sally PEARSON 11.31 -1.4 Adelaide 28-Jan-12
                  6 11.21 0.00 Sally PEARSON 11.21 0.1 Sydney 19-Mar-11
                  6 11.21 -0.02 Hana BASIC 11.19 0.3 Brisbane 27-Mar-21
                  8 11.23 0.00 Raelene BOYLE 11.23 -0.2 München 2-Sep-72
                  8 11.23 0.00 Raelene BOYLE 11.23 0.0 Montreal 25-Jul-76
                  8 11.23 0.06 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.29 -0.7 Göteborg 7-Aug-95
                  8 11.23 -0.01 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.22 0.0 Nürnberg 11-Jul-98
                  8 11.23 0.03 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.26 -0.5 Stuttgart 19-Jul-98
                  8 11.23 0.00 Nova PERIS-KNEEBONE 11.23 0.0 Darwin 26-Aug-98
                  8 11.23 -0.03 Sally PEARSON 11.20 0.5 Perth 31-Mar-11
                  15 11.24 0.04 Lauren HEWITT 11.28 -0.5 Sevilla 21-Aug-99
                  15 11.24 -0.10 Sally PEARSON 11.14 1.7 Osaka 26-Aug-07
                  15 11.24 0.00 Sally PEARSON 11.24 -0.1 Rieti 10-Sep-11
                  15 11.24 -0.13 Melissa BREEN 11.11 1.9 Canberra 9-Feb-14
                  19 11.25 -0.05 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.20 0.7 Athina 2-Aug-97
                  19 11.25 0.05 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.30 -0.6 Osaka 9-May-98
                  19 11.25 0.23 Melinda GAINSFORD-TAYLOR 11.48 -2.7 Sydney 13-Feb-00
                  19 11.25 0.14 Sally PEARSON 11.39 -1.7 Sydney 28-Feb-09
                  19 11.25 0.00 Sally PEARSON 11.25 0.1 Brisbane 14-Jan-12
                  19 11.25 0.00 Ella CONNOLLY 11.25 0.1 Brisbane 4-Dec-21
                  Out of the 24 times, MGT has 9, Pearson 8, Boyle 2, and one each for Hewitt, NP-K, Breen, Basic, Connolly.

                  I did some preliminary work on which sprinter had been affected the most by headwinds and it looks like MGT suffered the most. However, I'll have to review that before I post any detailed data.

                  For example, she matched Connolly's weekend time of 11.25 but into a 2.7 headwind and also scored the number one ranked time of 11.11 from an 11.34 also into 2.7! It's a shame she didn't have better luck with her runs, because some modest assistance would have had her still the national record holder.

                  Something for speedster to drool over!


                  Love!

                  MGT in 98 was really moving before her knee injury, I remember reading had she had a pre departure MRI in Darwin she might not have even run in KL. Here's the run in question: https://youtu.be/OlQKBvgpikE

                  Guessing the wind calculation doesn't take into consideration the athletes height and build? MGT was really powerful and perhaps faired better into a headwind?

                  Great runs from Connolly, with Basic, Day and Masters could get the 4x100m NR in Birmingham next year.
                  Speedster
                  Senior Member
                  Last edited by Speedster; 12-05-2021, 03:06 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Speedster View Post

                    Love!

                    MGT in 98 was really moving before her knee injury, I remember reading had she had a pre departure MRI in Darwin she might not have even run in KL. Here's the run in question: https://youtu.be/OlQKBvgpikE

                    Guessing the wind calculation doesn't take into consideration the athletes height and build? MGT was really powerful and perhaps faired better into a headwind?

                    Great runs from Connolly, with Basic, Day and Masters could get the 4x100m NR in Birmingham next year.
                    MGT
                    I think it shows that where you live can have a big impact on your times. If MGT had lived in WA, she would have had many more fast times but ruined by illegal tail winds. In Sydney and Melbourne, the evil headwinds got her! Brisbane might have been more conducive overall to matching good runs to good conditions.

                    Adjustments

                    As far as the underlying logic of the adjustments goes, JRM is the one to ask rather than my feeble mind but he doesn't seem to post as frequently as in past years.

                    But to give him an opportunity to point and laugh at the simpleton, my recollection is that strenght/power is fundamentally reflected in the time entered into the equation. If you lack power you just run slower anyway.

                    As far as temperature goes, I was dismissive of it's impact up above but JRM did a paper showing around a tenth difference between extremes of high and low density air into big headwinds. However, that's the maximum difference between the absolute best and worst conditions but when you are in the "normal range" of air density, where the bulk of performances are, the standard adjustments are all that are required.

                    Without a comprehensive data set of atmospheric conditions linked to performances, it's hard to tell whether it's worth the extra effort. I suspect probably not.

                    4x100
                    Hopefully, the collection of young guns will start retiring an increasing number of the top runs in the list. This should give them ample opportunity to rewrite the top list in the relay as well.

                    Video
                    I notice that the false starter was Elona Reinalda, who the internet tells me was Australian beach sprint champion that year. She was also junior beach sprint champion in the early 90s and a member of the AUS world junior team. Sadly, she does not appear in my list, nor did I have any recollection of her name until prompted by a tour of the internet.

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                    • Meanwhile, in the present day, Ollie Hoare runs 13:09.96i to break Aussie indoor record and move to #4 alltime across indoor and out. His outdoor best is 13:22.16.

                      https://www.runnerstribe.com/latest-...-5000m-record/

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                      • Meanwhile, back in the past ( ), last week marked the 40th anniversary of Deek's great Fukuoka run. Brett Davies at Runners Tribe takes a look back:

                        https://www.runnerstribe.com/feature...rathon-record/

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                        • Good summary of our best all-round sprinters by Tarby for those who haven't seen it on socials:

                          tarby_1.jpg

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                          • AA announce that their planned merger with Little Athletics Australia has failed to reach the required support by vote.

                            Mark Arbib has blamed it on 'a small number of LAA state officials' (Qld, NSW, Vic, SA) who are 'intent on holding power'.


                            Takes me back to the late 70s when men's and women's associations were in the process of merging.

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                            • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
                              AA announce that their planned merger with Little Athletics Australia has failed to reach the required support by vote.

                              Mark Arbib has blamed it on 'a small number of LAA state officials' (Qld, NSW, Vic, SA) who are 'intent on holding power'.


                              Takes me back to the late 70s when men's and women's associations were in the process of merging.
                              Surely Arbib could have asked Richo to have a quiet word with Tom Domican about a bit of "persuading" a la the Peter Baldwin episode... AS is probably too young to remember, so here's a reference:

                              https://www.smh.com.au/national/mp-b...26-gdmiu2.html

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                              • Originally posted by Speedster View Post

                                Here's the run in question: https://youtu.be/OlQKBvgpikE
                                I need to remember to download some clips from YT. I think it was (para) athlete Amy Winters who had uploaded the 1998 Comm Games 100 & WC 200 runs of Van Heer to YT but now they seem to be gone

                                I have them in the garage on VHS tapes but obvs YT much more convenient. Don't think I even have a VHS player anymore.

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