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  • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
    AA announce that their planned merger with Little Athletics Australia has failed to reach the required support by vote.

    Mark Arbib has blamed it on 'a small number of LAA state officials' (Qld, NSW, Vic, SA) who are 'intent on holding power'.


    Takes me back to the late 70s when men's and women's associations were in the process of merging.
    Not unhappy to hear it. LA's have the cash, AA's reputation for squandering it with no meaningful long-term benefits to the sport precedes them.

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    • Originally posted by typpo View Post

      Not unhappy to hear it. LA's have the cash, AA's reputation for squandering it
      I agree AA squanders the cash. But LAA squanders much of the talent.

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      • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post

        I agree AA squanders the cash. But LAA squanders much of the talent.
        I think I raised this as a distinctly likely outcome way back when because of those very reasons.

        Unless the government passes specific legislation to snuff out the current bodies and create a new one run by a government administrator for 5-10 years, you won't be able to destroy the natural fiefdoms. Without that, you will never get a proper developmental pipeline.

        On the general issue of mergers, I always used to patiently explain to people proposing this sort of thing that mergers are multiplicative not additive. Merging two half-arsed organisation doesn't give you a full-arsed organisation, rather you get a quarter-arsed mess.

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        • ABERFELDIE - 11 DEC

          100 (2.5) Mitrevski 10.21

          100H (nwi) Shaw 13.62

          Quick run for Long Jumper Chris Mitrevski in his first 100m for a couple of years. Will be interesting to see if this improved speed results in some big jumps.

          GEELONG - 11 DEC

          100 (2.7) Romanin 10.48 Nicolussi 10.61

          100 (2.1) Gross 11.62 Geddes 11.89
          200 (2.5) Gross 23.87

          Though 11.89 is a time I would normally not bother reporting here, it's the first race in a few years for former WJ rep Sam Geddes. Perhaps she has now graduated from uni and, having moved to Victoria, seems to be making a comeback. Maybe she was inspired by Hana Basic's season.

          ADELAIDE - 11 DEC

          100 (-1.7) Murphy 10.64
          400 Murphy 46.31

          Another couple of PBs for young Aidan.
          Last edited by Vault-emort; 12-11-2021, 08:24 AM.

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          • With only a twilight Christmas meet to run in Adelaide this year, with non-standard sprint events, it's worth reflecting how much Aidan has improved his PBs in the past month or so::

            100 10.97-10.64 0.33 (plus 10.20w)
            200 21.80-20.60 1.20
            400 48.68-46.31 2.37


            He ran at the X-Mas meet last year though, so worth noting his PBs from that night are 150m (16.42) & 300m (35.92).

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            • A few PBs coming out of the Melbourne Marathon Festival:

              1. Brett Robinson 2:14:34
              2. Thomas Do Canto 2:14:42
              3. Edward Goddard 2:15:15
              4. Riley Cocks 2:17:45

              1. Millie Clark 2:26:59
              2. Eloise Wellings 2:29:20
              3. Marnie Ponton 2:31:55
              4. Sarah Klein 2:32:37

              1. Jack Rayner 1:02:32
              2. David McNeill 1:02:35
              3. Tim Vincent 1:02:49

              1. Izzi Batt Doyle 1:10:17
              2. Leanne Pompeani 1:10:42
              3. Jessica Stenson 1:12:48

              1. Ryan Gregson 29:27
              2. Andre Waring 29:30
              3. Jordan Wiliamsz 29:38

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              • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
                With only a twilight Christmas meet to run in Adelaide this year, with non-standard sprint events, it's worth reflecting how much Aidan has improved his PBs in the past month or so::

                100 10.97-10.64 0.33 (plus 10.20w)
                200 21.80-20.60 1.20
                400 48.68-46.31 2.37


                He ran at the X-Mas meet last year though, so worth noting his PBs from that night are 150m (16.42) & 300m (35.92).
                AA doesn't publish an all-time list for 300m but has been publishing annual lists. I created a combined list from www.alltime-athletics.com (<33.00) and AA last 5 seasons, noting that 2017 didn't have any times listed, so 2016 is used as the 5th year.

                Unfortunately, there's no SA athletes in my list and AthleticsSA doesn't list a state record, so it'll be hard to put his run in context. Anyway, here's the list for what it's worth:
                Rank Time Athlete Location Date
                1 31.88 Darren Clark Belfast 30-Jun-86
                2 32.01 Darren Clark London 8-Aug-86
                3 32.20 Darren Clark Canberra 26-Jan-89
                4 32.22 Dean Capobianco Gateshead 17-Jul-92
                5 32.41 Darren Clark Sydney 8-Feb-89
                6 32.43 Paul Greene Marietta 21-Jul-96
                7 32.50 Mark Garner Canberra 26-Jan-89
                8 32.70 Darren Clark Belfast 16-Jul-90
                9 32.6 Ian Halpin Sydney 18-Oct-18
                10 32.81 Steve Perry Canberra 26-Jan-89
                11 32.7 Dean Capobianco Sydney 15-Nov-98
                12 32.87 Dean Capobianco Perth 17-Dec-95
                13 32.95 Alex Beck Brisbane 27-Jan-21
                13 32.95 Alexander Beck Brisbane 27-Jan-21
                15 33.27 Connor Diffey Brisbane 27-Jan-21
                16 33.53 Tyson Bonney Brisbane 27-Jan-21
                17 33.67 Justin Cavanagh Brisbane 27-Jan-21
                18 33.70 Nicholas Donaldson Canberra 4-Dec-21
                19 33.72 Ian Halpin Sydney 9-Jun-19
                20 33.7 Rohan Laurendet Sydney 18-Oct-18
                21 33.92 Anas Anu Ganaba Sydney 1-Dec-20
                22 33.93 Jordan Shelley Canberra 18-Aug-19
                23 33.98 Jordan Sarmento Sydney 9-Jun-19
                24 33.9 Marcus Miraglia Sydney 18-Oct-18
                25 34.13 Alex Carew Leiden, Netherlands 11-Jun-16
                26 34.15 Louis Stenmark Sydney 13-Dec-20
                27 34.21 Angus Proudfoot Canberra 4-Dec-21
                28 34.22 Adam Kopp Perth 24-Sep-21
                29 34.31 Deluca Lawson-Matthew Leiden, Netherlands 11-Jun-16
                30 34.38 Russel Nasir Taib Brisbane 9-Jun-19
                31 34.43 Nicholas Donaldson Canberra 7-Nov-20
                32 34.47 Connor Diffey Brisbane 28-Jul-18
                33 34.54 Edward Nketia Canberra 17-Nov-18
                34 34.66 Jordan Shelley Canberra 16-Sep-18
                35 34.68 Leigh Bennett Canberra 2-Aug-20
                36 34.70 Keegan Bell Sydney 9-Jun-19
                37 34.77 Joshua McCabe Brisbane 27-Jan-21
                38 34.89 Leigh Bennett Canberra 4-Dec-21
                38 34.89 Hugh Donovan Brisbane 28-Jul-18
                40 34.9 Alex Pettigrew Sydney 18-Oct-18

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                • Brad Jamieson ran a 33.23 for 300m (Canberra 1996) which is almost certainly the SA U20 best.

                  I'm not sure Bruce Frayne ever ran a 300, so Brad's time might be the SA Open best too.

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                  • I noticed that AA is implementing a mentoring program for high performance coaches. I thought had something like this but this just might be a better resourced version as it's being done in conjunction with the AIS.

                    The mentoring program will be conducted over 12 months with 11 mentors including AA Targeted Athlete Campaign Lead and former head coach Craig Hilliard, as well as Dick Telford, Sandro Bisetto, Tudor Bidder, Uwe Hohn, Sharon Hannan, John Quinn, Esa Peltola, Lyn Foreman, Cliff Mallet and Peter Fortune.
                    Interesting to note Uwe Hohn getting some love after his recent falling out with the Indian federation. Hopefully, AA will be a more reliable governing body for him.

                    https://www.republicworld.com/sports...rformance.html

                    Also of particular interest is now Professor Cliff Mallet, who I thought had left the sport for the academic life. However, his academic work seems a good fit for this program and he has still been involved with coaches and athletes from a consulting angle: https://hmns.uq.edu.au/profile/1406/cliff-mallett

                    Full link to the news item: https://www.athletics.com.au/news/la...oring-program/

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                    • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
                      Brad Jamieson ran a 33.23 for 300m (Canberra 1996) which is almost certainly the SA U20 best.

                      I'm not sure Bruce Frayne ever ran a 300, so Brad's time might be the SA Open best too.
                      That sounds pretty likely but it's hard to tell. I had a quick look at the almanacs and 1995-96 was the first appearance of a 300m. I'm not sure if that means they were never run before that or if the times were just discarded for non-standard events. Only Guru Jenes would know.

                      Is it worth compiling a list with what we have given the potential limitations?

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                      • Originally posted by El Toro View Post

                        1995-96 was the first appearance of a 300m. I'm not sure if that means they were never run before that or if the times were just discarded for non-standard events. Only Guru Jenes would know.

                        Is it worth compiling a list with what we have given the potential limitations?
                        300m (& 330y) races have been held in Australia since at least the 1930s, but not regularly.

                        I had compiled a decent all-time list & progressive record list around 2000-2005 but sadly lost these with a computer meltdown and have not got around to trying again. From memory, I think I had George Golding & Betty Judge-Beazley as the inaugural record-setters.

                        Paul J & David T probably have an up-date all-time list.

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                        • Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post

                          300m (& 330y) races have been held in Australia since at least the 1930s, but not regularly.

                          I had compiled a decent all-time list & progressive record list around 2000-2005 but sadly lost these with a computer meltdown and have not got around to trying again. From memory, I think I had George Golding & Betty Judge-Beazley as the inaugural record-setters.

                          Paul J & David T probably have an up-date all-time list.
                          I think the "not regularly" is the problem. It was always hard enough to maintain lists for standard events, let alone for odd events.

                          Interesting that WA has outdoor 300m lists now. I'm sure they weren't there the last time I looked, only indoors 300m. Best times up to 34.00, all to 33.20. Only error is assignment of 33.26 to middle distance runner, Julian Dwyer rather than sprinter Patrick Dwyer.

                          Based on that list, here's the state bests, confirming your view on Jamieson.
                          State Record Rank(AUS) Competitor Venue Date
                          ACT 33.11 11 Patrick JOHNSON Geelong 2-Dec-06
                          NSW 31.88 1 Darren CLARK Belfast 30-Jun-86
                          QLD 32.95 9 Alex BECK QSAC 27-Jan-21
                          SA 33.23 16 Brad JAMIESON Canberra 1-Dec-96
                          VIC 32.81 7 Steve PERRY Canberra 26-Jan-89
                          WA 32.22 2 Dean CAPOBIANCO Gateshead 17-Jul-92
                          For SA, here's the top list with Ormrod only 3rd:

                          State Time Rank(AUS) Competitor Venue Date
                          SA 33.23 16 Brad JAMIESON Canberra 1-Dec-96
                          SA 33.42 22 Steve HUTTON Canberra 1-Dec-96
                          SA 33.72 31 Mark ORMROD Geelong 2-Dec-06
                          SA 33.80 35 Clay WATKINS Adelaide 31-Mar-10
                          SA 33.83 38 Stephen LANDERS Mile End 24-Oct-07

                          Age records are Open and U-20 by Clark but the U-18 is uncertain. Clark was in shape to run mid-high 33 in 1982 based on his 400m time but I don't think he started running them until later. That leaves Casey Vincent as a good candidate with his time in '96 that remained his PB. Sadly it's over the 33.20 threshold for all performances, so that's guesswork.

                          Age Time Competitor Venue Date
                          Open 31.88 Darren CLARK Belfast 30-Jun-86
                          U-20 32.42 Darren CLARK Gateshead (GBR) 6-Jul-84
                          U-18* 33.79 Casey VINCENT Canberra (AUS) 1-Dec-96
                          * Unconfirmed






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                          • Originally posted by El Toro View Post

                            I think the "not regularly" is the problem. It was always hard enough to maintain lists for standard events, let alone for odd events.

                            Based on that list, here's the state bests, confirming your view on Jamieson.

                            33.11 Patrick JOHNSON
                            Yes, when I did my lists the 60m, 300m, 600m, 1000m (etc etc) were some of the hardest to compile for those very reasons. There weren't too many 150m races back then but I recall there were a few in Victoria in the 70s around Boyd/Boyle times.

                            But wow - can't even remember Pat Johnson running a 300. I can recall plenty of minutiae from the 70s & 80s off the top of my head but a performance less than 20 years ago has dropped off my radar completely. #oldtimers

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                            • never mind
                              Last edited by Vault-emort; 12-15-2021, 03:30 AM.

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                              • MELBOURNE - 14 DECEMBER
                                100 (1.4) Penny 10.23 Despard 10.40
                                200 (1.7) Sherman 21.11

                                100 (0.0) Grandine 11.70
                                200 (2.1) Andrew 24.06 Basic 24.08

                                New PB for Penny and another for Hana Basic who runs her first 200m in four years.

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