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  • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    I'm always up for this game.

    Locks (sic) right now are

    men

    Brazier
    Cheptegei
    USA 4x4
    Holloway
    Mondo
    Crouser
    Vetter
    Mayer

    women

    Richardson (100)
    SMU (even if Naser runs)
    Tsegay (in something!)
    USA (4x4)
    Rojas
    Price
    Thiam

    USA M4x4
    I wouldn't make Brazier a lock. Current favo(u)rite yes but not a lock.

    As for Richardson, I will always be reluctant to grant lock status to someone who, as far as I know, has yet to compete outside their home country.

    What about Lyles in the 200?

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    • Originally posted by Trickstat View Post
      I wouldn't make Brazier a lock. Current favo(u)rite yes but not a lock.
      As for Richardson, I will always be reluctant to grant lock status to someone who, as far as I know, has yet to compete outside their home country.
      What about Lyles in the 200?
      I can't see anyone but a top-form Amos seriously challenging him.
      The video of SR running her 10.72 convinced me. Not the time, the form.
      Lyles looked super-rusty in Oregon (but he should still win).

      But as Beebee intimated, this is just a fun game at this point of the season.

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      • Originally posted by Trickstat View Post
        As for Richardson, I will always be reluctant to grant lock status to someone who, as far as I know, has yet to compete outside their home country.
        That's a good point. For someone who has never been outside the U.S., traveling abroad for the first time can be unsettling in normal times, but even more so this year when she will likely be without her family and coaches for a whole month due to Japan's COVID-19 policy.

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        • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
          I'm always up for this game.

          Locks (sic) right now are

          men

          Brazier
          Cheptegei
          USA 4x4
          Holloway
          Mondo
          Crouser
          Vetter
          Mayer

          women

          Richardson (100)
          SMU (even if Naser runs)
          Tsegay (in something!)
          USA (4x4)
          Rojas
          Price
          Thiam

          USA M4x4
          I'd like to wait until at least mid-May before saying who is the strongest favourite, as most top European athletes haven't even competed yet. So instead I'll take apart your list 😜

          I'm always weary to put Vetter as a favourite: going backwards, 2020 was an amazing year for him, but there was no real pressure. In 2019 he threw over 90m a month before Doha, and lead the Q with 89.35, but then 'only' won bronze in 85.37 behind Peters (inspired and not a predicted win) and WLer Kirt. In 2018 he threw over 91m in Feb; over 92.5m in March & over 91.5 in May, yet 'only' came 5th at the Europeans, a home champs, after again leading the qualifying round. In 2017 he did win gold...but only just, by 16cm to Vadlejch, after throwing a huge 94.44 a month before and again, after leading the Q in over 91m. 2016, when he was up-and-coming, saw him finish an inspired 4th place in Rio, so I do wonder whether he has struggled with the pressure of being favourite?

          Mayer is definitely a strong favourite, but I think we all agree the decathlon is the hardest event to complete, it wouldn't be a shock if he DNF or did not win, and his temperament is ever so slightly in question after Berlin & Doha.

          I wouldn't put Richardson as strong favourite yet. She has run a startling time over 100m but we saw in 2020 SAFP & Thompson are right there, and though they have yet to really lay their cards on the table, their 2020 seasons are enough to go on.

          I'm interested as to why you have placed Thiam as the strong favourite, as opposed to KJT, or, considering KJT? I see them as fairly equal at present. KJT beat her in their last clash in Doha, with a score Thiam has never achieved in a championships; KJT's progression is such that she has been steadily improving each year for the last 5 years, whereas on the other hand Thiam has been at the 6800 level for a while (of course, she had that amazing 7013 at Gotzis in 2017, but that was in perfect conditions).

          Interestingly, scoring over 6800 five years out of a six year span, as Thiam would need to this summer, has never been done before, not even by JJK, or Kluft, or Ennis-Hill or any other past great. It doesn't meant Thiam wont do it of course, and she could well be the first, but it's an extremely difficult task. I do wonder what her JT is going to be like too, and whether that elbow is ok. She hasn't thrown a javelin in competition since Doha and although she was fine with the SP this winter, she was fine with the SP in Doha too. While her indoor pentathlon was great, it's only enough to put her as joint favourite with KJT for me.

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          • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
            I'm always up for this game.

            Locks (sic) right now are

            women

            SMU (even if Naser runs)
            Without Naser, SMU would be the favorite for the 2-4 double. The schedule isnt even that bad.

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            • Random results from around the globe, courtesy of TiS newsletter

              Brazil
              mLJ Samory Fraga 8.23 (1.3)

              Columbia
              w400 Marileidy Paulino (Dom) 50.36

              Provo, UT
              mLJ Jeff Henderson 7.87a (0.3)

              Greensboro, NC
              w100 Barbara Pierre 11.60 (0.3); Veronica Campbell-Brown 11.71 (0.1)

              China
              wJT Huihui Lu 64.40

              Germany
              wDT Kristin Pudenz 66.27

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              • I've just read on Twitter Thiam won't do a heptathlon before Tokyo. As her last one was Doha, one assumes she is carrying an injury or something, as you'd think she would not want to wait 22 months between heptathlons.

                With KJT also behind due to an achilles - although she says training is going well - will both be underpar come Tokyo, and is it an opportunity for someone else to sneak in?

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                • Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post
                  I've just read on Twitter Thiam won't do a heptathlon before Tokyo. As her last one was Doha, one assumes she is carrying an injury or something, as you'd think she would not want to wait 22 months between heptathlon.
                  I think we better unlock Thiam right now!
                  Last edited by TWalsh; 04-26-2021, 05:55 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by TWalsh View Post
                    I think we better unlock Thiam right now!
                    Yikes! Done.
                    Now watch her show up and win big!

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                    • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                      I'm always up for this game.

                      Locks (sic) right now are

                      men

                      Brazier
                      Cheptegei
                      USA 4x4
                      Holloway
                      Mondo
                      Crouser
                      Vetter
                      Mayer

                      women

                      Richardson (100)
                      SMU (even if Naser runs)
                      Tsegay (in something!)
                      USA (4x4)
                      Rojas
                      Price
                      Thiam

                      USA M4x4
                      Love the instigation of discussion. I'd pick Crouser, too, it's almost an easy choice until you watch WTC 2019 and see how "big" Kovacs and Walsh threw alongside Mr. Crouser. Kovacs has two golds and two silvers in the last 4 big events; he's a good bet right now at the odds.

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                      • Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post
                        I wouldn't put Richardson as strong favourite yet. She has run a startling time over 100m but we saw in 2020 SAFP & Thompson are right there, and though they have yet to really lay their cards on the table, their 2020 seasons are enough to go on.
                        Even if SAFP and Thompson-Herah retired tomorrow I wouldn't consider Richardson the favourite in the 100m, not with Dina Asher-Smith around.

                        Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                        SMU (even if Naser runs)
                        If this is based on yesterday's run, it's worth noting that SMU had an even faster 400m opener in 2019 - 49.05, the fastest ever before June. That didn't stop Naser from beating her in Doha.

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                        • Originally posted by Paced View Post
                          If this is based on yesterday's run, it's worth noting that SMU had an even faster 400m opener in 2019 - 49.05, the fastest ever before June. That didn't stop Naser from beating her in Doha.
                          This is true, but one has to wonder what the affects of the initial missed test charges, and subsequent appeal going on, are having on her. No matter what our views, she's still human, and it must be playing on her mind whether she will even get to Tokyo. That can't be good for training. I also think Naser was 'lucky' in Doha that she was running inside SMU. Once SMU realised where Naser was and how fast she was running, it was too late to respond, but when she did change gear, she was running Naser down on the home straight and lost by what, just over a meter? Had SMU pushed that bit earlier on the second bend, she would possibly have won. It was a great win from Naser, but certainly not a big winning gap.

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                          • I would definitely never consider a decathlon as locked, more so with Mayer and the uncertainties about his shape. He's got some confidence back lately though, I was rather surprised to see him compete (and eventually win) in Torun considering his full decathlon two months prior. His body doesn't seem to be an issue at the moment, the main one being PV, but once again he's shown great signs towards a full (mental) recovery in this event in Poland, clearing 5.20. The Q mark in the Réunion (8552) would have been enough to medal at the last two WC, and it was done with a 4.65 PV ... with 5.20 he would have been > 8700, a mark nobody has matched in a global championship since Trey Hardee in Berlin (except for him and Eaton).
                            So no lock here, i'd rather say that Mayer is either champion or DNF. We'll see in Götzis where his opponents are, mainly Kaul after surgery, if he steps up in speed, we could have a match.

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                            • Originally posted by ZazaShoya View Post
                              We'll see in Götzis where his opponents are, mainly Kaul after surgery, if he steps up in speed, we could have a match.
                              Kaul posted on Instagram his first post-surgery 75m javelin throw in training. He looked very good.

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                              • Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post

                                This is true, but one has to wonder what the affects of the initial missed test charges, and subsequent appeal going on, are having on her. No matter what our views, she's still human, and it must be playing on her mind whether she will even get to Tokyo. That can't be good for training. I also think Naser was 'lucky' in Doha that she was running inside SMU. Once SMU realised where Naser was and how fast she was running, it was too late to respond, but when she did change gear, she was running Naser down on the home straight and lost by what, just over a meter? Had SMU pushed that bit earlier on the second bend, she would possibly have won. It was a great win from Naser, but certainly not a big winning gap.
                                I agree that the stress of the hearing may well affect her, if she is indeed cleared to complete in Tokyo, but I'm not convinced she truly benefitted from lane assignment. The 400m is essentially a time trial; Miller-Uibo's sole focus should have been on running the type of race that would get her across as fast as possible, irrespective of what Naser was doing. Being in an outside lane from her main rival allowed her to focus on her own race, much like Van Niekerk in 2016. In the end she ran brilliantly, setting a huge PB in the process, but Naser was just better. Had Miller-Uibo been in an inside lane and responded to Naser earlier, she may well have had less in reserve on the home straight and died the same painful death that lost her a medal in 2017 (and almost cost her gold in 2016).

                                It's also worth bearing in mind that Naser had run two rounds of the mixed 4x400m prior to the individual 400m, so she was not as fresh as Miller-Uibo coming into the final. Miller-Uibo being in superior shape in April/May meant zilch when it came to the race that everyone cared most about.

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