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Originally posted by toenail View Post
if you can throw over 70 at 22 doesn't that prove the u23 thing is nonsensical?
Athletes U-23 67m throws Wolfgang Schmidt 6 Kristjan Ceh 6 Lawrence Okoye 3 Ehsan Hadadi 2 Julian Wruck 2 Yuriy Dumchev 2 Traves Smikle 1 Fedrick Dacres 1 Georgiy Kolnootchenko 1 Sam Mattis 1
So Ceh is an extreme outlier, like Schmidt, not a representation of the usual standard of U-23 athletes who, on average, have been, and will always be, uncompetitive against elite older throwers.
One very good U-23 athlete does not invalidate the age category, just like the occasional exceptional U-20 athlete doesn't invalidate that category.
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Originally posted by El Toro View Post
www.alltime-athletics.com lists 1,380 throws at 67.00 or better made by 122 different athletes. Only 10 of those athletes or 8.25% were U-23 athletes and they hit that mark only 25 times or 1.8% of the total times.
U-23 athletes have been, and will always be, uncompetitive against elite older throwers.
btw there was a ukrainian guy nesterenko that already threw over 65 at 17 which seems even more unlikely to me than čehLast edited by toenail; 06-27-2021, 03:52 PM.
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Some results from last day of Italian Champs
Women
200: Kaddari 22.89
1500: Battocletti 4.09.38 Zanoni 4.09.79
400hs: Marchiando 55.16 Olivieri 55.54 Pedroso 55.79 Folorunso 56.05. * Marchiando achieved the Olympic standard. Olivieri was well-placed in the ranking but there are 3 with the big Q (Pedroso and Folorunso using 2019 times).
Triple: Derkach 14.47 (+0.5)
High: Fassinotti 2.26 (Sottile still struggling with 2.20)
Men
200: Desalu 20.38 Infantino 20.96
400hs: Sibilio 48.96
3000sh: Ala Zoghlami 8:17.65 Chiappinelli 8:25.32. Same situation as in the women 400hs. 2 guys already had the standards (Osama Zoghlami and Abdelwahed). Chiappienlli was in a good position in the ranking. But Zoghlami who was behind him got the standard today and will get the third ticket to OG.
Triple: Bocchi 17.14Last edited by ItalianFan; 06-27-2021, 08:59 PM.
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Originally posted by TN1965 View PostRyuji Miura 8.17.46. (NR) The previous record was 8.18.93 in 2003.
And this guy is only 19.
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Originally posted by Wiederganger View PostSMU with 22.18 at her champs.
I know this may not look great following Thomas/Prandini/SAFP/Jackson/ETH, but I think this bodes very well for her. This wasn't perfect conditions like Eugene or with any competition like Kingston. And she is coming off the 400m yesterday. I think she will still be in the mix for gold.
But honestly, based on the Tokyo schedule, I think she should double. The 400m seems like a relative "walk in the park" so even if she misses a win in the 200m, she has more than enough rest between the 400m semis and then finals. (all pending Naser status)
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Maybe this is here somewhere on the forums, but when is the last date for qualifying marks for the olympics? Is it up to when it starts? A few of the athletes I follow haven't met the qualifying mark but are in the top 32. ( Emmanuel Karalis for isntance)
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Originally posted by toenail View PostI hear you but they have much less of them in part because of more limited time (olds can throw 67+ for two decades after turning 23)
Here's the same data for percentage of 67m discus throws by age at the end of the year.
Age DT_% 20 0.1% 21 0.4% 22 1.3% 23 2.0% 24 4.0% 25 6.7% 26 11.2% 27 12.2% 28 14.4% 29 10.9% 30 9.0% 31 4.9% 32 5.0% 33 4.9% 34 4.2% 35 2.7% 36 1.7% 37 1.4% 38 1.4% 39 0.8% 40 0.5% 43 0.1% 44 0.1% 45 0.1% 47 0.1% Total 100.0%
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Originally posted by El Toro View Post
Discus does have a longer tail than other throws but even if you look at it year by year, it's easy to see that U-23 athletes can't hit the big distances on a regular basis as well as throwers just a little bit older. The data is pretty similar for all events with just modest variations in peak performance years.
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