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  • #16
    Originally posted by bad hammy View Post
    Why 108 in India or 71 in Turkey? The numbers on the surface don't make much sense in some ways.
    For India, I have a theory ... it's a huge country with a huge, huge population - that's fact, not theory! - and many (the vast majority?) of their good athletes don't have the means to travel abroad in pursuit of championship standards - not just for WCh or OG but for Asian Championships and South Asian Games too. Therefore, they need a load of certified tracks at home so that marks set on these tracks can be certified by their Federation for championship qualification purposes?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Trickstat View Post

      I wonder if the person/people who check tracks in India for the home federation also does it for WA, so you get a 2 for 1 deal?
      Checking is one thing but actually having them is something else....sounds odd...

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      • #18
        Surprised not to see Mt. Sac or Iowa on the list.

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        • #19
          Is there any requirement for a facility to be Class 1 or 2 in order for marks made there to count as world records or for Oly/WC qualifying?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by gm View Post

            Why would they be?
            Why would they not? Is it because they are still 440 yards?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
              108 in India? That is odd...
              1 for every 12 million people

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Tuariki View Post

                1 for every 12 million people
                Right...India the great track power...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                  10 outdoors in Britain makes sense....they aren't that common...
                  But fewer than Serbia, given how much better GBR is at the sport? The combined Yugoslavia was never anywhere near as good as GBR, Serbia alone...

                  I can't believe UKRAINE have fewer than Serbia or Croatia (less than half, indeed!), the UK...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ATK View Post
                    Here is the list of all the certified facilities (PDF as of Dec 2nd 2020)

                    https://www.worldathletics.org/downl...s%20Facilities

                    Looks like the 4 indoor tracks are The Armory, Ocean Breeze, University of Houston and Gately Park in Chicago (never heard of/seen this track)
                    https://www.chicagoparkdistrict.com/...pital-projects

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by andyjgt View Post

                      But fewer than Serbia, given how much better GBR is at the sport? The combined Yugoslavia was never anywhere near as good as GBR, Serbia alone...

                      I can't believe UKRAINE have fewer than Serbia or Croatia (less than half, indeed!), the UK...
                      Don't forget that you have to submit paperwork and pay a fee to get assessed for certification. There is nothing to stop anybody building a fully compliant track and doing the in situ testing required for Class 1 but then not submitting the paperwork.

                      There is no complete list of tracks built to standard, just the ones that have been certified.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by bad hammy View Post
                        Surprised not to see Mt. Sac or Iowa on the list.
                        Here's what I posted in the Aussie thread about Mt SAC, which says their track is IAAF compliant, and certification generally in the USA:

                        With regards the low USA numbers, I noticed while reading the WA facilities manual (yes, I was that bored) was that Class 1/2 certification required 2 bi-directional, parallel LJ/TJ runways outside the track and throwing fields inside the track.

                        These requirements would seem to rule out Mt SAC being certifiable on the basis that the 2 runways are inside the track, though otherwise compliant. I suppose it depends on how flexible WA are.

                        The same issues for runways and inside throws are likely to rule out a lot of other USA venues despite the tracks themselves being compliant.
                        So, it's probably a combination of that sort of technical issue and possibly out of spec radii on double bend curves plus Conor Dary's suggestion that they just don't care.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Tuariki View Post

                          Why would they not? Is it because they are still 440 yards?
                          There is no need for these schools to spend the money for a certification that doesn't have any real effect on qualifying marks or record performances. As long as there is a survey showing the facility meets criteria to be legal according to WA rules, that's really all that is required.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by gm View Post
                            Is there any requirement for a facility to be Class 1 or 2 in order for marks made there to count as world records or for Oly/WC qualifying?
                            Not as far as I can tell. The 2022 WC qualifying standards just says it has be in a competition conducted under WA Rules, which include size of track, slope etc.

                            The WR application form, under the Athletics Facility section asks the Technical Manager to certifiy that:

                            The Facility holds a current valid World Athletics Facility Certificate: Class 1/Class 2/Indoor

                            OR

                            The competition site complied with the conditions set out in the World Athletics Certification System. The respective parts of the Measurement Report Form are attached to this application.
                            So a certified facility automatically meets the standards of the certification system but a non-certified facility can also meet the standard but you have to prove it.

                            The clearest requirements for certified facilities relate to the list of international competitions. For the highest level (OG/WC) these must be conducted in a Class 1 facility and lower level internation al competitons should use Class 1 if available but must use Class 2 as minimum.



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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post

                              Right...India the great track power...
                              Not yet, but the national government has funding programs to develop sport facilities including tracks. http://sports.indiapress.org/sports_infrastructure.php

                              Apparently, where large stadia are built for soccer, they also usually get a track around it, the opposite of what is happening in Europe.

                              From a more detailed look at the 107 Indian facilities, I could identify 79 by broad category:

                              79 Stadium (probably multi-purpose)
                              25 Tertiary institutions (universities, colleges, technical institutes)
                              7 Forces/Police
                              7 District sport centres
                              2 Schools

                              If the government funding eventually funds a track in each district, there will be 739 tracks, not counting tertiary institutions or national or state level facilities! Size does matter.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post

                                Right...India the great track power...
                                Actually India is not doing so badly regionally, e.g. in the 2018 Asian Games they placed only behind China and Bahrain on the medal table, ahead of even Japan and Qatar. It so happens that in whatever disciplines they excel at in Asia, nobody in the continent is competitive on the world stage.

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