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  • Originally posted by proofs in the pudd'in View Post
    I'm simply discussing and answering questions put me.
    On another thread, I gave my 'expectations', which are BIG, but I think reasonable. He's already past my LJ for the year.

    Originally posted by Atticus
    Here's my official prognostication for this year and the next three. 100, 200, 400, LJ
    2021 - 10.00, 20.10, 44.0r, 26-4
    2022 - 9.95, 19.95, 44.50, 26-8
    2023/24 [the pay-off for bringing him along slowly] - 9.85, 19.80, 43.80, 27-6

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    • Originally posted by proofs in the pudd'in View Post

      Well in the 60 I was expecting him to get between 6.50-6.55. In looking at some of the sub-10 list I don't see anyone who ever ran slower than 6.60 do a sub-10. Yet the expectation is that he will. I mean even those who are known for slow starts and great top end speed seem to have been able to do at least that.

      In the 200 his improvement is the best of all his events - .29. He had a 20.31 outdoors in 2019 and a 20.66i so I think this improvement of 20.37i is good but its not so great to take notice and expect much in the 200m specialists in the US.

      The 400 he ran a 46.15 outdoors in 2018. The 45.18i lead off seems likes a good improvement but again for three years out it's not something to catch the eye for a 400 specialist looking to do things on the world stage.

      I did expect him to improve more in LJ given he had an 8.01 in 2019 and only improved 6cm in 2 years.

      Maybe I'm not being realistic here but I did expect a little more from him given the talk and how well he did in HS.
      How much faster would you have expected him to run than he has in the 400m or 200m at this point?

      ....and you're not being realistic here. My suspicion is that you are simply stirring the shit because of some....or maybe simply one...over the top article/video which was never etched in any sense of reality.

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      • Originally posted by NotDutra5 View Post

        How much faster would you have expected him to run than he has in the 400m or 200m at this point?

        ....and you're not being realistic here. My suspicion is that you are simply stirring the shit because of some....or maybe simply one...over the top article/video which was never etched in any sense of reality.
        Maybe I'm just too spoiled with the last two American great 400m runners - JW and MN. I was hoping something around where they were at at 20/21 years old. Like I said his 200 is his best improvement so far but as someone also noted maybe indoors is just not his thing - hoping the outdoors is burner.

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        • Originally posted by proofs in the pudd'in View Post

          Maybe I'm just too spoiled with the last two American great 400m runners - JW and MN. I was hoping something around where they were at at 20/21 years old. Like I said his 200 is his best improvement so far but as someone also noted maybe indoors is just not his thing - hoping the outdoors is burner.
          Norman was levels ahead of Boling in High School in both the 200m (20.14 vs 20.31) and 400m (45.19 vs 46.15). Norman also broke the WR when he was 20.

          In the 2004 indoor season, 20 year-old sophomore Jeremy Wariner won NCAA indoors with a PB of 45.39 in the 400m, so closer to where Boling is at now. Ofcourse Wariner had that legendary 2004 season, but he also had a full freshman indoor and outdoor season to build off of.

          Also you forgot Merritt (arguably greater than Wariner) who at 19 already ran 44.93 indoors and 44.66 outdoors (by 20 he was at 44.14).

          So not good comparison to Boling.

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          • Mu breaks the WJR in the 800, but all some here want to do is obsess over an athlete who didn't win a single event simply because he is a White kid competing in events that are predominantly represented by Black folk. I actually feel sorry for Boling, who will have to cope with additional unnecessary unwelcome social pressure.

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            • Originally posted by beebee View Post
              Mu breaks the WJR in the 800, but all some here want to do is obsess over an athlete who didn't win a single event simply because he is a White kid competing in events that are predominantly represented by Black folk. I actually feel sorry for Boling, who will have to cope with additional unnecessary unwelcome social pressure.
              God, calm down it's a discussion board. Overreacting a bit! Mu is incredible and has been putting up numbers every run. Chill!

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              • Originally posted by ATK View Post

                Norman was levels ahead of Boling in High School in both the 200m (20.14 vs 20.31) and 400m (45.19 vs 46.15). Norman also broke the WR when he was 20.

                In the 2004 indoor season, 20 year-old sophomore Jeremy Wariner won NCAA indoors with a PB of 45.39 in the 400m, so closer to where Boling is at now. Ofcourse Wariner had that legendary 2004 season, but he also had a full freshman indoor and outdoor season to build off of.

                Also you forgot Merritt (arguably greater than Wariner) who at 19 already ran 44.93 indoors and 44.66 outdoors (by 20 he was at 44.14).

                So not good comparison to Boling.
                Well, Boling did run a 44.7x split in his 4x400 indicating better than a 46.15 run in 2018.

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                • Originally posted by proofs in the pudd'in View Post

                  God, calm down it's a discussion board. Overreacting a bit! Mu is incredible and has been putting up numbers every run. Chill!
                  I think you are the one who seems upset.

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                  • Originally posted by beebee View Post

                    I think you are the one who seems upset.
                    How do you figure? I have been simply posting my thoughts and responses. Projecting!

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                    • Originally posted by proofs in the pudd'in View Post

                      How do you figure? I have been simply posting my thoughts and responses. Projecting!
                      Your comments are "thoughts and responses" but of course mine aren't?

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                      • Originally posted by beebee View Post

                        Your comments are "thoughts and responses" but of course mine aren't?
                        Mine are about Boling and do not include accusations about me 'obsessing' because he is white and competing in 'black folk' events. Never mentioned race and certainly did not accuse anyone of anything. You are the one reacting in an irrelevant way.

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                        • Originally posted by proofs in the pudd'in View Post

                          Mine are about Boling and do not include accusations about me 'obsessing' because he is white and competing in 'black folk' events. Never mentioned race and certainly did not accuse anyone of anything. You are the one reacting in irrelevant way.
                          You attacked my wording but didn't address my facts...

                          DEAL WITH IT
                          Last edited by beebee; 02-28-2021, 10:06 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by beebee View Post

                            DEAL WITH IT
                            I just did Mr. All-Caps but I'm not mad guy!
                            Last edited by proofs in the pudd'in; 02-28-2021, 10:09 PM.

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                            • Sigh

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                              • I watched the 200m final and my impression was Boling was simply beaten by a better man on the day. I thought Boling looked messy, his form collapsed, and of course that schoolboy error of stepping on the line. Still, a great time, but clearly there are, as ever, a huge number of talents in the US right now, let's see who progresses the best outdoors.

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