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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    From the huge stats manual issued - Meet Records

    Men
    60m 6.42 CHAMBERS 2009
    400m 45.05 WARHOLM 2019..........hey, why is he not here this time?
    800m 1:44.78 CZAPIEWSKI 2002
    1500m 3:36.70 HESHKO 2005 ....... J Inge breaks?
    3000m 7:38.42 KAYA 2015..............ditto?
    60mH 7.39 JACKSON 1994
    High Jump 2.40 HOLM 2005
    Pole Vault 6.04 LAVILLENIE 2015 .. Mondo OR RLaV
    Long Jump 8.71 BAYER 2009
    Triple Jump 17.92 TAMGHO 2011.... another biggie by Zhango?
    Shot Put 22.19 TIMMERMANN 1987
    Heptathlon 6479 MAYER 2017--------ready to break it again?
    4x400m 3:02.87 Belgium 2015

    Women
    60m 7.00 COOMAN 1986
    400m 49.59 KRATOCHVILOVA 1982
    800m 1:55.82 ČEPLAK MAR 2002
    1500m 4:02.39 MUIR 2017
    3000m 8:30.61 MUIR 2019
    60mH 7.74 NAROZHILENKO 1990
    High Jump 2.05 HELLEBAUT 2007............Mahuch?
    Pole Vault 4.90 ISINBAYEVA 2005
    Long Jump 7.30 DRECHSLER 1988
    Triple Jump 15.16 HANSEN 1998
    Shot Put 21.46 FIBINGEROVA 1977
    Pentathlon 5000 KJT 2015
    4x400m 3:27.56 Great Britain 2013. .........Ned close?
    So, of those I thought had a chance
    m1500 - J inge a second off
    m3000 - not close
    mPV - Yup
    mTJ - wrong guy!
    Hep - almost 100 off

    otherwise, Belocian came close, but no one else did.

    wHJ - nope
    w4x4 - Yup!

    otherwise, Del Ponte and Visser close, Thiam 100 off.

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  • Powell
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    Kicking well to a 1:46.8 is not the same as running 1:43 at any pace
    He hasn't been tested at a fast pace so far. As a 400H specialist, you'd think he would have a better chance in a slow race, but then again, he's only been training with Zbigniew Król (a middle distance coach, who coached people like Adam Kszczot and Lidia Chojecka in the past) since December. Chances are he will make more progress by the summer.

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by Powell View Post
    At the nationals he said he still intended to stick with the hurdles. In an interview after the EIC gold he was no longer so sure - said he will make the decision with his coach.
    Kicking well to a 1:46.8 is not the same as running 1:43 at any pace.
    Not that he has a prayer in the 400H either (not to be snarky!), but his 48.40 PR speaks louder.

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  • Powell
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    Originally posted by ZazaShoya View Post

    Really impressive. Does he plan on returning to the hurdles this summer or staying in an event where he is almost invincible as of now ?
    At the nationals he said he still intended to stick with the hurdles. In an interview after the EIC gold he was no longer so sure - said he will make the decision with his coach.

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  • Wiederganger
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    Originally posted by Jacksf View Post

    Isn't Lisanne De Witte still a possibility for the Dutch relay team?
    Do you mean Lisanne or her sister Laura? Lisanne, the 3rd eg runner in Torun, will be in the relay, its the 4th spot that's up for grabs. At the moment the main 3 battling for that place are Dopheide, Saalberg & Bouma. Then after that it's Eva Hovenkamp & Laura De Witte, and then Baak (who ran in Doha but who's form has dropped since).



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  • Jacksf
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    Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post

    It was the best line up they have right now, but I think that team will change come summer and Dopheide won't be in the final line-up. She peaked well at the nationals to place 3rd behind Bol & Klaver to earn her spot in the team, ahead of Bouma and Saarlberg. However, Bouma & Saarlberg had beaten her earlier in the season, and are much younger - Dopheide is 31, Bouma is 21 & Saarlberg 22. Dopheide has been around for over a decade as a 100/200 runner and only moved to the 400 a couple of years ago. I guess she could carry her form outdoors and improve, but I have a feeling one of the younger women will improve more outdoors, and Saarlberg is now part of Meuwly's group (since end of 2019)

    The good thing for the team is the candidates for that 4th spot know there is potentially a medal chance, and I think it will lift them. I still think that if she got back into 22.0 form or below, they should consider drafting Schippers in, especially if the three 4th spots are all 53+ because surely Schippers could run faster than that? GBR & POL wont have a 53 runner in their 4th spot. But Meuwly just isn't keen unless he sees her run a 400m first, and Bennema has basically said she wont run one!
    Isn't Lisanne De Witte still a possibility for the Dutch relay team?

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  • ZazaShoya
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    Originally posted by Powell View Post
    And how about Patryk Dobek winning the 800 against a great field less than a month after his senior debut at the distance? He ran one 800 as a 15-year old back in 2009, then none until this winter.
    Really impressive. Does he plan on returning to the hurdles this summer or staying in an event where he is almost invincible as of now ?

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by KevinR View Post
    Liemarvin Bonavecito. Cat Ballou, anyone?

    Don't I get some credit for the obscure Lee Marvin movie reference?
    [quiet courtesy clap]

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  • KevinR
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    [QUOTE=Powell;n1679568]
    Originally posted by KevinR View Post

    His name is Bonevacia
    Mea Culpa. I was working from a rather iffy memory. Don't I get some credit for the obscure Lee Marvin movie reference?

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  • Wiederganger
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    Oh, and just to add for fun, the Dutch 4x4 women are staying true to the belief that the Dutch are one of the tallest groups of people. Not only are Bol & Klaver over 6ft, but Dopheide is just over 5'10 (1.79) and the young Saalberg is also 5'10 (1.78). They make taller than average Lisanne De witte, at 5'7 / 1.75, look small, but she isn't.
    In the BBC footage of the call room prior to the 4x400m you could see how much taller Bol & Klaver were compared to the other women. It does make you wonder how much their height contributes to part of their natural talent

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  • Wiederganger
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    Originally posted by Powell View Post
    whereas the Dutch had the best lineup they have.

    Interestingly, the Dutch indoor 4x4 record is now just 0.17 slower than the outdoor NR. I'm sure this won't last long, the outdoor record is bound to be smashed by a large margin this year.
    It was the best line up they have right now, but I think that team will change come summer and Dopheide won't be in the final line-up. She peaked well at the nationals to place 3rd behind Bol & Klaver to earn her spot in the team, ahead of Bouma and Saarlberg. However, Bouma & Saarlberg had beaten her earlier in the season, and are much younger - Dopheide is 31, Bouma is 21 & Saarlberg 22. Dopheide has been around for over a decade as a 100/200 runner and only moved to the 400 a couple of years ago. I guess she could carry her form outdoors and improve, but I have a feeling one of the younger women will improve more outdoors, and Saarlberg is now part of Meuwly's group (since end of 2019)

    The good thing for the team is the candidates for that 4th spot know there is potentially a medal chance, and I think it will lift them. I still think that if she got back into 22.0 form or below, they should consider drafting Schippers in, especially if the three 4th spots are all 53+ because surely Schippers could run faster than that? GBR & POL wont have a 53 runner in their 4th spot. But Meuwly just isn't keen unless he sees her run a 400m first, and Bennema has basically said she wont run one!

    The running order was also interesting for the final. I would not have put my weakest on 2nd like the Dutch did, I would have put her on 3rd, because, as we saw, straight away you lose the lead you gained by running your 2nd fastest on the first leg. I thought the Brits made a couple of mistakes, Williams on leg 2 not going hard enough soon enough, and Pipi sitting behind too long, and then allowing the German to box her in. They wouldn't have won, but it would have been faster for them. At one point I thought your 3rd leg runner was not going to make the end of the race!
    Last edited by Wiederganger; 03-09-2021, 09:54 AM.

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  • Powell
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    Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post


    The Dutch women beat POL, 3rd, by a whopping 2.79 seconds, very doubtful whether even the inclusion of Swiety would have made a difference, although she no doubt would have beaten GBR to silver.
    The Poles would not have won by substituting Gaworska with Święty. But with Święty in there instead of Lesiewicz, it could have been close. Also, the Polish team was pretty much a B squad - Baumgart, Wyciszkiewicz and Kiełbasińska were all absent, for various reasons, whereas the Dutch had the best lineup they have.

    Interestingly, the Dutch indoor 4x4 record is now just 0.17 slower than the outdoor NR. I'm sure this won't last long, the outdoor record is bound to be smashed by a large margin this year.

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  • Powell
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    [QUOTE=KevinR;n1679553]
    Originally posted by Grazerite View Post

    And their bronze medalist has a candidate for cool names in the sport, Liemarvin Bonavecito. Cat Ballou, anyone?
    His name is Bonevacia

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post
    Mihmabo was having shocking technical difficulties. Apparently it is because for her training and competitions prior to Torun she has been using a shortened run up, so when she reverted back to her normal run-up she was off.
    That, and Gittens' LJ woes at SEC Pent are . . . unforgivable at this level. I can't remember a single athlete of mine in 25 years having that bad a problem at Championship time. Early season, new event? Absolutely.

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  • Powell
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    And how about Patryk Dobek winning the 800 against a great field less than a month after his senior debut at the distance? He ran one 800 as a 15-year old back in 2009, then none until this winter.

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