2021 NCAA Indoor Championships

[Trickstat]

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Completely irrelevant. Maybe the Euro U23s.

Comparisons are interesting but somewhat meaningless. The Euros have more athletes over about 23 years old. A top European athlete can opt to skip the European indoors, even if they do some indoor meets, an NCAA athlete does not generally have that option.

[Atticus]

These are the more relevant marks to compare against. Winning marks from Euro indoors.

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Completely irrelevant. Maybe the Euro U23s.

[highjumpfan]

These are the more relevant marks to compare against. Winning marks from Euro indoors.

Men
60 - 6.47
400 - 46.22
800 - 1:46.81
1500 - 3:37.56 (3:54.5)
3000 - 7:48.20
60H - 7.42
HJ 2.37
LJ 8.35
TJ 17.30
PV - 6.05
SP - 21.62
Hept - 6392
4x400 - 3:06.54

Women
60 - 7.03
400 - 50.63
800 - 2:03.88
1500 - 4:18.44
3000 - 8:46.43
60H - 7.77
HJ - 2.00
LJ - 6.92
TJ - 14.53
PV - 4.75
SP - 19.34
Pent - 4904
4X400 - 3:27.15

[Atticus]

[NB - this thread is for generic comments, not performances in the meet]

Meet records . . . . and comments on breaking it

Men

60 6.45
200 20.02
400 44.52
800 1:45.15 . . . possibly, but I doubt it
Mile 3:54.74 . . . will go tactical, so no.
3000 7:45.94 . . . same as 1500
5000 13:25.11 . . .ditto
60H 7.35
High jump 2.37
Pole vault 5.91 . . .high likelihood
Long jump 8.48
Triple jump 17.37
Shot put 21.73 . . . a decent chance
Wt throw 24.64
Hep 6499
4×400 3:00.77
DMR 9:27.27 . . . if Ore chooses to

Women

60 7.07
200 22.38 . . . possible
400 50.34 . . . probable?
800 2:01.09 . . possible
Mile 4:27.18
3000 8:42.03
5000 15:14.18
60H 7.79
High jump 1.98
Pole vault 4.66
Long jump 6.91
Triple jump 14.27 . . . probable?
Shot put 19.56
Wt Throw 25.56
Pent 4703
4×400 3:27.03 . . . if the duel eventuates.
DMR 10:50.98 . . .could happen

[Atticus]

I mean, I don't see it as a big deal. The kids are in the midst of a global pandemic. They lost their indoor champs and entire outdoor season. In November, most didn't know if they would be running this year at all, let alone getting to have their XC season and championships back AND a full indoor season. And seems like Outdoors will be going on as planned without much issue.

In the big picture, you're absolutely right.
There were, however, a small number of individuals and programs that lost an opportunity to excel. That could have been avoided, but as pointed out above, the political cost was too high for the NCAA to 'pay'.

[ATK]

I mean, I don't see it as a big deal. The kids are in the midst of a global pandemic. They lost their indoor champs and entire outdoor season. In November, most didn't know if they would be running this year at all, let alone getting to have their XC season and championships back AND a full indoor season. And seems like Outdoors will be going on as planned without much issue.

[Atticus]

As frustrating as scheduling issues like this are, I imagine those decisions were made with the best information available, at the time. The NCAA writ large were certainly more focused on addressing those sports with the larger revenue generating television contracts than on Athletics and XC. Having served on numerous lower level committees within an organization, I can attest to the fact that no matter how good your recommendations are, they will not get far if the senior leadership have different priorities.

I challenge the underlined part. It HAD to have been a political decision, NOT for the best of our two sports, which you address in the bolded portion.
EFF T&F/XC, who cares?

[KevinR]

As frustrating as scheduling issues like this are, I imagine those decisions were made with the best information available, at the time. The NCAA writ large were certainly more focused on addressing those sports with the larger revenue generating television contracts than on Athletics and XC. Having served on numerous lower level committees within an organization, I can attest to the fact that no matter how good your recommendations are, they will not get far if the senior leadership have different priorities.

[NotDutra5]

Committee listed within this document. Address your angry letters towards them.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/crosstrack/d1/common/Nov2020D1XTF_Report.pdf

[gh]

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Why did they schedule a XC Champs that's dated 2020---for 2021??...

for the same reason that this summer's action in Tokyo is the 2020 Olympics

[Conor Dary]

Weren't most of those other 2020 Champs in the previous academic year? The 2020 XC would have been for the 2020-21 academic year.

Exactly...

[Trickstat]

XC is NOT my favorite part of our sport!
So my opinion might be flavored by that!

Why did they schedule a XC Champs that's dated 2020---for 2021??
Everything else Collegiate--beginning with the INdoor Champs of 2020--was cancelled!
No OUTdoor season or Champs!
So why didn't they just add the 2020 XC season to their list of cancellations?/
Having the PREVIOUS YEAR's Championship race NOW is---IMHO--ridiculous!!

Weren't most of those other 2020 Champs in the previous academic year? The 2020 XC would have been for the 2020-21 academic year.

[26mi235]

Well, they played football and some other fall sports and moved stuff around. XC more of a COVID sport because of no real contact, and training does not involve contact and can be done in small Pods..

[aaronk]

XC is NOT my favorite part of our sport!
So my opinion might be flavored by that!

Why did they schedule a XC Champs that's dated 2020---for 2021??
Everything else Collegiate--beginning with the INdoor Champs of 2020--was cancelled!
No OUTdoor season or Champs!
So why didn't they just add the 2020 XC season to their list of cancellations?/
Having the PREVIOUS YEAR's Championship race NOW is---IMHO--ridiculous!!

[Bruce Kritzler]

Noticed that Oregon women didn't even run the Pac 10 or 12 Cross Country Champs yesterday, so doubt they'll have anyone running NCAA XC (men ran a B team). In fact I doubt there will be very few athletes trying to double back on Monday. Or there will be people scratching from Sat. races at Indoors, if it's part of a double or triple.