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I need a simple question answered, please.
Were the USATF Golden Games an official part of the Mt SAC Relays?
I'm asking because I need to know if the GG marks can be considered to be Mt SAC Meet Records (assuming they broke the old record).
Or was that an entirely separate meet, creating its own set of MR's?
Thanks!
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Originally posted by aaronk View PostI need a simple question answered, please.
Were the USATF Golden Games an official part of the Mt SAC Relays?
I'm asking because I need to know if the GG marks can be considered to be Mt SAC Meet Records (assuming they broke the old record).
Or was that an entirely separate meet, creating its own set of MR's?
Thanks!
"The Golden Games, one of only two gold level competitions in the United States, is part of the 2021 USATF Grand Prix Series and for the next three years, will also be a part of the Elite Division of the Mt. SAC Relays."
I'm not sure if this helps. I did not see Mt. SAC Relays record books change yet, but it's only been a day or two, and I'm not sure if they are changing websites(?)... it's a weird transition year...
https://runmtsac.com/mt-sac-to-host-usatf-golden-games/
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So, now a picture of Rai Benjamin is on the T&FN front page going over one of the last hurdles at the recent Mt Sac race with both of his arms wide apart sideways. I'm not a coach, but I'm pretty sure that isn't taught. And he's one of the best ever, so is it just that form doesn't really matter? Or that you're so tired at the end of the race that you have no control? Or what?
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Originally posted by Soijai View Post
You lumped her in with people you declared delusional or desperate for attention. At least one of them qualifies for that, but all of those others were failures at their attempts. No one forced a team to sign her, but Tulsa did and she played for them in a minor role. One of these things is not like the others...
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Originally posted by Fortius19 View PostSo, now a picture of Rai Benjamin is on the T&FN front page going over one of the last hurdles at the recent Mt Sac race with both of his arms wide apart sideways. I'm not a coach, but I'm pretty sure that isn't taught. And he's one of the best ever, so is it just that form doesn't really matter? Or that you're so tired at the end of the race that you have no control? Or what?
The better the form, the faster the time, but hitting hurdles at this point can be disastrous. It's a good drill at the end of a hard training day to work on form.
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Originally posted by Atticus View PostWhile that is certainly not best-practices form, by the last two hurdles, it's most imperative to just get over them in stride and balance. It can indeed get ugly sometimes.
The better the form, the faster the time, but hitting hurdles at this point can be disastrous. It's a good drill at the end of a hard training day to work on form.
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Originally posted by Fortius19 View PostSo, now a picture of Rai Benjamin is on the T&FN front page going over one of the last hurdles at the recent Mt Sac race with both of his arms wide apart sideways. I'm not a coach, but I'm pretty sure that isn't taught. And he's one of the best ever, so is it just that form doesn't really matter? Or that you're so tired at the end of the race that you have no control? Or what?
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Originally posted by Fortius19 View PostSo, now a picture of Rai Benjamin is on the T&FN front page going over one of the last hurdles at the recent Mt Sac race with both of his arms wide apart sideways. I'm not a coach, but I'm pretty sure that isn't taught. And he's one of the best ever, so is it just that form doesn't really matter? Or that you're so tired at the end of the race that you have no control? Or what?
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Originally posted by 1.609 View PostIsn't the trail arm's main function to maintain balance coming off the hurdle? Do you see any connection between staying balanced and what that trail arm is doing? What about the other arm? I'm wondering if his main concern at that point in the race was having the least interruption in momentum after clearing the hurdle.
Here's a good look at it
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The goal in the 400H is emulate 110H form but in holding a higher speed, hurdlers are rarely as efficient. Wilbur Ross had a book about it (Hurdlers' Bible) which is the best text I've ever seen. Davenport, Milburn, Nehemiah demonstrated it perfectly.
Here's the paragon:
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He is also illustrating how hard it is to keep the trail leg flat at high speed and fatigue, which manifests a higher clearance, which is not ideal, but is necessary at this point.
Last edited by Atticus; 05-12-2021, 01:59 PM.
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Originally posted by lexvid View PostOlympic standard for Justyn Knight (Can). PR and Olympic standard just behind Ollie. Usually a 5K man so he can choose to double. Mo Ahmed (WC Bronze medalist) also in the race to shake the cobb webs out. Nice to see effort like this.
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I reckon this arm "form" is not Benjamin's main problem. Look at his clearances in the back straight, he and McMaster are side by side and at the same pace so you can compare ... He's less efficient than his Caribbean counterpart, Benjamin gets off the ground before but lands a bit after at H3, they take off simultaneously at H4 but McMaster touches down way earlier then seems faster again at H5. MM keeps shoulders, hips and trail leg aligned at take off while Benjamin is more chaotic, the movement of the lead leg is very similar to a 110mH one for MM when Benjamin has a circular clearance, thing we can see sometimes in a 100mH. He spends much more time in the air, much too high. Maybe this is a result of a narrow distance to the hurdle ...
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Originally posted by ZazaShoya View PostI reckon this arm "form" is not Benjamin's main problem. Look at his clearances in the back straight, he and McMaster are side by side and at the same pace so you can compare ... He's less efficient than his Caribbean counterpart, Benjamin gets off the ground before but lands a bit after at H3, they take off simultaneously at H4 but McMaster touches down way earlier then seems faster again at H5. MM keeps shoulders, hips and trail leg aligned at take off while Benjamin is more chaotic, the movement of the lead leg is very similar to a 110mH one for MM when Benjamin has a circular clearance, thing we can see sometimes in a 100mH. He spends much more time in the air, much too high. Maybe this is a result of a narrow distance to the hurdle ...
I wonder, with a training partner like Norman, does he spend enough time on hurdles mechanics, or are the two of them just pummelling each other in endurance sprint training?
Speaking of which, will Norman run the 200 this year? Seems like he has his hands full in getting back to 43 shape!
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Originally posted by Atticus View PostHe did seem rough around the edges and admitted such in the interview afterward. But if that's his rusty look, what's he gonna bring in August?
I wonder, with a training partner like Norman, does he spend enough time on hurdles mechanics, or are the two of them just pummelling each other in endurance sprint training?
Speaking of which, will Norman run the 200 this year? Seems like he has his hands full in getting back to 43 shape!
But sure, great time for such an imperfect race.
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