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  • #16
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    Exactly what the sport does NOT need. I'm sick.

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    • #17
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      If kelli's medals have been stripped, then Torri and Anastasiya are world Champions!

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      • #18
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        "Today, we have received an explanation from the athlete to the following effect; Ms White has been taking the substance on prescription to treat a medical condition that runs in her family."

        Even before I ever attended a meet where there would be drug testing (eons ago), I was given detailed instructions on the procedures. These included:

        "You are given the chance to declare *any* medications you are taking prior to giving your sample." (including cold medication, birth control, antibiotics, Aderol, etc...).

        If they do this in New Brunswick, Canada, certainly they must do it at the World Championships (and other National selection meets). Why all the confusion? While primarily being facetious, I'm also genuinely curious.

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        • #19
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          from the USATF web site:

          http://www.usatf.org/about/legal/antido ... 003-07-08/

          IAAF Changes Exemption Procedures

          Attention Athletes:

          On July 3, 2003, the IAAF issued new exemption procedures for Beta-2 Agonists and Therapeutic Use Exemptions. The IAAF also updated its List of Prohibited Substances. All changes go into effect IMMEDIATELY and will affect athletes who will be competing internationally this summer, including at the Pan American Junior Games, Pan American Games and IAAF World Championships.

          USA Track & Field strongly suggests that athletes, especially those who require therapeutic use of prohibited substances, or who suffer from asthma and exercise induced asthma, take these forms to their doctor in order to have this properly interpreted.

          Athletes who have questions regarding these new procedures should email the IAAF Anti-Doping Department at [email protected].

          Important Documents

          New IAAF Exemption Procedure Changes (PDF)
          Beta-2 Agonists Exemption Procedure (PDF)
          IAAF Application Form for Exemptions (PDF)
          Procedures to import medications for IAAF World Championship in Paris (PDF)
          Definition of r-EPO (PDF)
          Updated List of Prohibited Substances (7/3/03) (PDF)

          My only complaint with the IAAF here is their ability to declare things illegal when they are not on the list by saying they are similar. If they're so F'n similar put them on the list and be done with it, jackasses.

          Similarly, Ms White, even if you are taking Flintstones Vitamins, put the damn things down on the list with a note from your doctor. How ignorant can you be to not cover your ass from every angle.

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          • #20
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            >If kelli's medals have been stripped, then Torri
            >and Anastasiya are world Champions!

            Anyone pick them in the contest?

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            • #21
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              The ruling on similar drugs is quite reasonable. Last winter olympics, the cross country skier that tested positive for a chemical similar to EPO, except 1 Hydrogen molicule was altered. Thus not EPO
              by the chemical equation, but similar. I believe if the test was positive in the USA , USATF would cover it up. No Names, no Foul.

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              • #22
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                Gary,
                You don't want to know this, either. I have written many prescriptions for my patients with Narcolepsy and would never risk any of my athletes with the one given Ms. White. While it is not Ephedrine, it can fall in the same category and be viewed as a banned drug. There are many other things that could have been given to treat her "family" problem without risk. This, I believe, is the second time for her. She is now placed at a higher risk for her sport and that is not to be condoned. She should have declared what she had been given by her physician. It could have eliminated this problem. Shouldn't her coach have advised her on this? Better yet, shouldn't her Dr. have the list of banned substances? Not very professional is it?

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                • #23
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                  >Last winter olympics, the cross country skier
                  >that tested positive for a chemical similar to
                  >EPO, except 1 Hydrogen molicule was altered.

                  Who are you talking about?

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                  • #24
                    I was afraid of this

                    >r sport and that is not to be condoned. She
                    >should have declared what she had been given by
                    >her physician. It could have eliminated this
                    >problem. Shouldn't her coach have advised her on
                    >this? Better yet, shouldn't her Dr. have the
                    >list of banned substances? Not very professional
                    >is it?

                    http://insiders5.ezboard.com/fgridscape ... 2961.topic

                    I asked about Kelli's size and drastic improvement on the UT board. On down in the above thread. I was afraid something might be going on. Although nothing is certain yet. I hope this blows over. I also threw out the possibilty on a post here a couple of days ago. I asked what the reason could be for her rapid success? Nobody mentioned drugs.

                    Nothing is final yet, from what I understand. But if she has broken the black letter of the law -- especially for the second time -- then she should have her medals taken away.

                    If she truly has a bad doctor who should have known better, why can't the USATF have a list of doctors, who know what can and can't be prescribed, be given to our athletes?

                    I'm upset about this. I hope somehow she gets out of this mess and we can truly attribute her success to hard work and only hard work.

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                    • #25
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                      dear track doctor you are wrong !
                      i am a physician and i dont know what the list of the banned substances for the iaaf and usatf. provigil was not on the list by the way, but white should have declared it on the medical forms to cover her butt, now she left it up to the mercy of the CAS (court of arbitration for drug testing cases). i doubt that they will suspend her or nagate the results, they (iaaf) have enough to worry about.
                      and by the way i have attended 3 teleconferences on provigil with the utmost experts and NONE of them called it a stimulant, in fact they All stated that it does NOT have any stimulant properties (as ritalin, adderall, amphetamine like substances).
                      This case is not a case of doping as she gained no advantage in any of her races. it is more if you are a world class athlete be careful what you put in your body and if you take something that you are not sure ask the anti doping experts !
                      dr mihas
                      san diego, ca

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                      • #26
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                        >and by the way i
                        >have attended 3 teleconferences on provigil with
                        >the utmost experts and NONE of them called it a
                        >stimulant, in fact they All stated that it does
                        >NOT have any stimulant properties (as ritalin,
                        >adderall, amphetamine like substances).

                        Ok, then please reconcile the following statement and a lot of the other stuff on this site with your post:

                        "In fact. Professor Michel Jouvet, an authority on sleep, claimed during an international defense meeting in Paris that, "modafinil could keep an army on its feet and fighting for three days and nights with no major side effects.""

                        Looks like a stimulant to me.

                        More here:

                        http://www.modafinil.org/

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                        • #27
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                          ok that is HIS quote, but it could completely erroneous.
                          i have heard many more experts than him and in my experience (of the few people i perscribed it)none of those people had trouble sleeping.
                          i am sure you will get conflicting opinions in any type of medication or treatment, but in no ways it it a performance enhancing substance.
                          this will become more of a legal issue where technicalities will play a role (where it is on the iaaf list, documentation etc)

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                          • #28
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                            SAINT-DENIS, France (AP) - Kelli White passed a drug test after winning the 200 meters but still could lose her two gold medals from the World Championships, track officials said Sunday.

                            The results from the second test were revealed one day after officials from the International Association of Athletics Federations said White had tested positive following her victory in the 100.

                            White won gold in the 100 a week ago and completed the sprint double in the 200 on Thursday, becoming the first American woman to sweep both events at a world championships.

                            Even though White tested clean after the 200, the IAAF said her positive test after the 100 would be enough to cost her both medals.

                            ``It would be wrong to say, `You are doping on Sunday, and you're out,' and then say, `You can win the same medal Thursday at the same championships,''' Istvan Gyulai, general secretary of the IAAF, said Sunday. ``I believe this is an important moral message.''

                            The IAAF said Saturday that White risked being stripped of all her championship results if found guilty of a doping offense. She also could face a two-year suspension that would rule her out of the 2004 Athens Olympics.

                            Gyulai said the IAAF was continuing to investigate the exact nature of modafinil, a prescription medication which White said she used for a sleep disorder.

                            While not specified by name on the banned list, modafinil is covered under the stimulants category of ``related substances,'' the IAAF said.

                            Under IAAF rules, the penalty for use of light stimulants, such as ephedrine, is disqualification and a warning. For harder stimulants, such as amphetamines, the sanction is disqualification and a two-year ban.

                            Gyulai said the IAAF is trying to determine how to classify modafinil. He said that could take four or five days.

                            After that, Gyulai said, the IAAF could: accept White's explanation and consider clearing her on grounds; disqualify her and give her a warning; or, disqualify her and recommend a two-year ban.

                            If the IAAF decides modafinil falls into the strong category, White would be suspended pending a hearing by USA Track & Field, Gyulai said. Her case would then be handled by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, and could potentially end up before the Court of Arbitration for Sport - a process that could take months.

                            The IAAF needs to clarify White's status soon because she is scheduled to run Friday at the Golden League meet in Brussels. She also plans to compete in the Grand Prix final in Monaco on Sept. 13-14 and an invitational meet in Moscow on Sept. 20.

                            USA Track & Field chief executive Craig Masback said he had only been notified of White's test result from the 100, and can't take action until getting more details from the IAAF.

                            At a news conference Saturday, White acknowledged taking modafinil the morning of the 100 final. But she denied ever taking a substance to enhance her performance, saying she took the medication to treat narcolepsy and had no idea it contained a banned substance.

                            White said she didn't apply for a medical waiver or include the medication on her doping control form as required because it wasn't named on the prohibited drug list. She said she and her doctor did extensive research on modafinil before deciding to use it for narcolepsy, which causes sudden fatigue or sleepiness.>>>

                            i guess even the iaaf does not know !
                            it seems that her doctor did extensive research on it, but she should have let the iaaf know in the medical waiver. i am sure it will boil down to a technicality. it should not deter anything that she did on the track though. but i am sure people love to slam track and field when other sports are much more dirty (baseball, football etc). hopefully iaaf will resolve this quickly and not make a big deal about it.

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                            • #29
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                              To the Doctors:

                              I would just like to say that I am greatful for your viewpoints, even when they might disagree. It is nice to hear opinions from those who have some sort of knowledge on the subject rather than just people with an ax to grind.

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                              • #30
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                                It seems odd that a substance would be banned when there is apparently little proof that it is an aid to performance.

                                It also seems odd that Ms. White didn't mention it where required. Would she forget to mention it if she were about to undergo surgery and the pre surgery questionnaire asked what she was taking?

                                I don't know.

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