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  • #46
    Regarding WVN: https://twitter.com/WaydeDreamer/sta...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    "Thanks for the care - I am well. Nothing serious. I tightened up a bit so didn’t push it."

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    • #47
      Schippers isn't a contender any more. Her ship has sailed.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by miketandf View Post
        Just missed World U18 record (10.15, Schwartz, 2017). Not sure it would have counted if they ran on that street platform track anyways?
        T&FN is the only body that keeps World Youth Records, and yes, we would accept it.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by gh View Post

          T&FN is the only body that keeps World Youth Records, and yes, we would accept it.
          Thanks... and yes, out of curiosity I looked, and WA labels Senior and U20 as 'Records', but U18 as 'Best Performances'

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          • #50
            Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

            Dos Santos did 6 steps the whole way, requiring him to alternate at every hurdle. I thought that was impressive considering he never trains for this race. Shamir Little did 8 steps on hurdle 2, 7 steps on hurdles 3, 4 and 5, then 8 steps the rest of the way.
            I slo-mo'd all of Dos Santos steps and counted six steps between each hurdle for what NBC showed. The athlete to his right alternated between 6 and 7.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Fortius19 View Post

              I slo-mo'd all of Dos Santos steps and counted six steps between each hurdle for what NBC showed.
              Isn't that what I said? 🤔

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              • #52
                Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

                Isn't that what I said? 🤔
                My bad! I read too fast and read your post as DID Dos Santos 6 step...?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by lonewolf View Post

                  In my day, everybody ran 220 straights, and, yeah, an eighth of a mile is a long way when you see it all at once. And, when you run it, the finish line is like an ever-receding mirage.
                  220 low hurdles even more so.
                  My Dad in the late 1950s was mainly a 440y runner. He ran some straight 220s and found himself passing 100/220 specialists in the latter stages as they faded.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by gm View Post
                    Schippers isn't a contender any more. Her ship has sailed.
                    It's certainly looking that way. Whilst her 2015 and 2016 form are out of the question, maybe she can reach her 2017/2018 form (we still have 10 weeks to go). That's not a contender for gold I agree, but it could be enough to fight for a bronze over 200m maybe?

                    Doing a quick comparison:
                    • She has raced twice, 11.38 & 22.91 which, wind adjusted, equates to 11.41 and 22.81. (I'm looking at wind-adjusted mainly because the two big opening meetings, Ostrava & Gateshead, both had negative winds).
                    • To put that in context, she opened her 2019 season in similar form: 11.38 & 22.98 (11.46 & 22.96 wind adjusted) .
                    • Come Doha she had run 11.07 (11.04 adjusted) & 22.45 (22.46 adjusted).
                    • She then ran 11.07 (11.04 adjusted) in the 100m SF & made the final. There was every chance she would have gone faster in the final, and also would have set a SB in the 200m, but of course withdrew injured.
                    My thoughts are, as I said earlier, that if in 2019 she was only able to train at 80% and now she can train at 100%, and has been for the last few months, surely she can at the very least get to 2017/2018 form? Remember her starting point is very different this season, coming off an injury in 2019/2020, so she is going to increase gradually. How much can she improve in the next 10 weeks?

                    Compare to SAFP who everyone is saying is a co-fave for 100m gold. SAFP has run 4 times so far: 11.51, 11.62, 23.19 & 22.66. If we take into consideration that pesky wind, she has effectively run 11.23, 11.24, 22.66 & 23.05 basic. Why do we consider someone who has run 11.2 a gold medal candidate? Presumably based on their pedigree & experience. I think Schippers has this, and equally peaks well like SAFP, so we have to give her a wee bit slack here, and see what the next races tell us. But for now, gold medal contender, no.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Trickstat View Post

                      My Dad in the late 1950s was mainly a 440y runner. He ran some straight 220s and found himself passing 100/220 specialists in the latter stages as they faded.
                      Does anyone remember Forest Beaty setting the national HS record (20.1 I believe) in the 220: straight run at 1961 CIF SS finals in Ontario, CA? He lit up the track. Same meet where Ulis Williams set national HS record of 46.1 (IIRC) in the 440y (around 1 turn)...amazing meet!

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                      • #56
                        SMU looked deceptively slow on TV as the angle was awful, appreciating the challenges of camera angles at some of the street races, 22.08 is fast for this time of year, straight or otherwise. Reports of niggles is interesting with a crowded bunch in her preferred 200m for this year.


                        Schippers didn't look good from the first step, the start was slow and then eased toward the end. The contractual nature of the event might be an indication as well as the travel required to race

                        The point on SAFP getting cut slack is an interesting one but I guess she gets a pass as we've seen this before and an impressive bounce. The conditions in Gateshead were as bad as I think I've seen for a Diamond League and therefore hard to judge against and her 2019 final and her good season last year feel close whereas Schippers better form seems further off. The journey to Tokyo is different for both with a more competitive JAM Trials awaiting where Schippers has to peak once mainly with the NED team a near certainty if healthy.

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                        • #57
                          The other thing is Schippers has been on a downward trajectory ever since 2015. SAFP's 2019 was one of her most dominant seasons ever. If you look at 2015 where they ran for gold/silver in the 100m, SAFP has run equal that time as recently as 2019, Schippers is nowhere near that. I don't mean any disrespect by saying this, but Schippers was much more lean back in 2015.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Track78 View Post
                            The other thing is Schippers has been on a downward trajectory ever since 2015. SAFP's 2019 was one of her most dominant seasons ever. If you look at 2015 where they ran for gold/silver in the 100m, SAFP has run equal that time as recently as 2019, Schippers is nowhere near that. I don't mean any disrespect by saying this, but Schippers was much more lean back in 2015.
                            I actually think her 2016 season was overall a bit better that 2015 as she was consistently faster throughout that year.

                            In 2016 she ran sub 11 basic in all except one 100m final. In the 200m, she ran sub 22 on four occasions (only matched by Flo Jo, Marion Jones, Ottey, Drechsler and Torrence). She also ran 7.10 or faster in all of her 60m finals.

                            2017 was actually pretty good as well. But I think her individual PBs and medals in Beijing overshadow just how good her 2016 season was. But yes since then she has been on a downward trend due in part to injury.

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                            • #59
                              In my first T&F season, 1961 at Canoga Park HS, we ran 220, 440, 660, 880 and Mile out of the shute, finishing at the end of the backstretch. The next year, except for 100,220 and hurdles, everything started and finished in the middle of the track. The track must have been a tad long, as there were staggered finish lines on the backstretch! Canoga High track.jpg

                              The trees at the top of the picture were redwoods, and when I was there, only seniors were supposed to eat lunch there. Most of the shute is blocked off now. Canoga still does not have an all-weather track.
                              Cheers,
                              Alan Shank
                              Woodland, CA, USA

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by SoCal45 View Post

                                Does anyone remember Forest Beaty setting the national HS record (20.1 I believe) in the 220: straight run at 1961 CIF SS finals in Ontario, CA? He lit up the track. Same meet where Ulis Williams set national HS record of 46.1 (IIRC) in the 440y (around 1 turn)...amazing meet!
                                I remember both of them, and used to own the HS Track edition with one or both on the cover!
                                I saw Ulis run a few times, but later!
                                Never saw Beaty run!

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