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  • rhizobium
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    Latest total: $14,434

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  • steve
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post

    I do believe her when she says she never knowingly took a PED....I suspect she took a contaminated supplement.... typical with Nandralone positives.
    I don’t believe her. All that Nike support and an experienced coach and training group, and you think she took a tainted supplement? No one else in her group tested positive. Then, she decided to lie about eating tainted meat thinking that it would result in a better outcome than saying she took a tainted supplement?

    It seems more likely that she got some aspect wrong in her timing of PED taking, or was incorrect in her calculating an aspect of metabolism. Then she got caught, and fabricated a story that fell apart under closer inspection. Now she is relying on those who buy her image of midwestern grit and integrity to support her.
    Last edited by steve; 11-28-2021, 07:19 PM.

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  • rhizobium
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    Originally posted by 18.99s View Post

    It has slowed, but not stalled. I just refreshed the page and the amount increased by $100 to reach $12,039.
    Certainly she's not gonna get anywhere near her target at this rate.

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  • 18.99s
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    Originally posted by rhizobium View Post
    Her GoFundMe campaign appears to have stalled.
    It has slowed, but not stalled. I just refreshed the page and the amount increased by $100 to reach $12,039.

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by 18.99s View Post

    The GoFundMe page says "she was not even aware what Nandrolone was."

    It's pitiful that she and her team are still repeating that crap. Whether it's true or false, it only makes her look dumb to say it. Either she's so dumb she really didn't know what nandrolone is at age 28 with 6 years as a professional athlete, or she's lying and she's dumb enough to think the lie would help her case.
    That was the point for many knowledgeable observers that her story was BS. So to keep repeating it is pretty delusional...though I suppose the rubes who still support her buy it and will toss money at her. What a grifter.

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  • 18.99s
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    Originally posted by rhizobium View Post
    Her GoFundMe campaign appears to have stalled.
    The GoFundMe page says "she was not even aware what Nandrolone was."

    It's pitiful that she and her team are still repeating that crap. Whether it's true or false, it only makes her look dumb to say it. Either she's so dumb she really didn't know what nandrolone is at age 28 with 6 years as a professional athlete, or she's lying and she's dumb enough to think the lie would help her case.

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  • rhizobium
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    Her GoFundMe campaign appears to have stalled.

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  • El Toro
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    Originally posted by rhizobium View Post

    What evidence is there that nandralone is a common supplement contaminant?
    Supplements are poorly controlled in their manufacture and may be produced on the same production line with SARMS, pro-hormones and anabolics, especially in countries with laxer controls over anabolics.

    It's not just nandrolone itself but it's prohormones which convert to nandrolone in the body and produce the same metabolite as ingesting nandrolone. Undated article by Professor Ron Maughan that shows the pathways:

    https://www.sportsperformancebulleti...damage-career/

    If you want some academic references, start with this narrative review from 2020 by German doping researchers: https://www.mdpi.com/2304-8158/9/8/1012/htm

    It doesn't take much to produce sufficient contamination in supplements to generate a positive test, which is why Sports Integrity Australia, which subsumed ASADA, has a page on supplements and risk in which they straight up say:

    Our advice is that no supplement is safe to use. As an athlete, you should not risk your career by taking a supplement because many supplements are contaminated with substances prohibited in sport. These may not be listed on ingredient labels.
    Now, Australia has much stricter controls over many substances than other countries but even here there are problems, again highligthted by SIA:

    In 2016, life science company LGC conducted the Australian Supplements Survey. This survey analysed 67 common supplement products available for purchase in Australia. They found one in 5 products contained one or more substances banned in sport. Importantly, none of the products identified listed any banned substances on their ingredients list.
    And that study didn't include any supplements imported from the USA, Asia or Eastern Europe where anabolics like nandrolone aren't necessarily banned or enforcement action is limited.

    You can download the survey here if you give up some details: https://www2.lgcgroup.com/australiansupplementsurvey

    There are some attempts to test and certify supplements, including by LGC Group, owners of Informed Sport, who do batch testing of certain supplements. However, this is not guaranteed, it's just risk management. They provide a "four simple steps" for athletes to document their usage:

    https://sport.wetestyoutrust.com/sit...nfographic.png

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  • Tuariki
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    Originally posted by SoCal45 View Post

    the answer is simple: they don't want her tainted with "dirty money"...LOL! Seriously, they don't believe the excuses for burrito-gate any more than CAS did!
    She should have blamed KFC.

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  • SoCal45
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    The swimmer Jessica Hardy was banned for a tainted supplement...

    https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.co...st-each-other/
    "Only" 1 year

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  • Conor Dary
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    The swimmer Jessica Hardy was banned for a tainted supplement...

    https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.co...st-each-other/

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by rhizobium View Post

    Successful supplement contamination defense would at least result in a reduced ban and restore some of her reputation which is now permanently wrecked.
    I agree....as I have said many times just confessing would have been far better even though it would have been some kind of ban.
    Last edited by Conor Dary; 11-26-2021, 11:35 PM.

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  • NotDutra5
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    Originally posted by rhizobium View Post

    Successful supplement contamination defense would at least result in a reduced ban and restore some of her reputation which is now permanently wrecked.
    What he or she said.

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  • rhizobium
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post

    That wouldn't have done any good.....unlike eating food....like a burrito!....taking a contaminated supplement won't get you off the hook. You are still screwed....hence the burrito defense.
    Successful supplement contamination defense would at least result in a reduced ban and restore some of her reputation which is now permanently wrecked.

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by NotDutra5 View Post

    If that were the case, she probably could have produced said supplement.
    That wouldn't have done any good.....unlike eating food....like a burrito!....taking a contaminated supplement won't get you off the hook. You are still screwed....hence the burrito defense.

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