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  • proofs in the pudd'in
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    Originally posted by Rack View Post
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     RT H1 H2 H3 H4 H5 H6 H7 H8 H9 H10 Final
    0.163 5.72 9.24 12.82 16.50 20.24 24.16 28.26 32.52 36.92 41.60 46.70
    0.168 5.70 9.20 12.90 16.53 20.30 24.26 28.20 32.28 36.56 40.93 46.17
    0.145 5.63 9.13 12.66 16.30 20.00 23.96 27.96 32.06 36.46 40.86 45.94
    
    S-H1 H1-2 H2-3 H3-4 H4-5 H5-6 H6-7 H7-8 H8-9 H9-10 H10-F Final
    5.72 3.52 3.58 3.68 3.82 3.92 4.10 4.18 4.40 4.68 5.10 46.70
    5.70 3.50 3.70 3.63 3.77 3.96 3.94 4.08 4.28 4.37 5.24 46.17
    5.63 3.50 3.53 3.64 3.70 3.96 4.00 4.10 4.40 4.40 5.08 45.94
    I guess Karsten optimized his own race, no need for help from me! Whereas it looks like RB pretty much ran just shy of old WR pace through 6 hurdles before starting to outpace it, KW went out even faster, getting to near a quarter-second advantage on his WR and then putting himself an extra tenth ahead per hurdle between a few hurdles (H6-7, H7-8, H9-10 two tenths here) in the second half of the race.
    Yep KW started fast and finished strong: .30 ahead at H6, Rai makes move and still.07 behind at H10, then Thor's kid goes 5.08 (5.24 RB) for the last 40. Talk about optimization! I guess KW brought his father's hammer this day.
    Last edited by proofs in the pudd'in; 08-12-2021, 04:17 PM.

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  • Rack
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    Code:
      RT   H1   H2    H3    H4    H5    H6    H7    H8    H9   H10  Final
    0.163 5.72 9.24 12.82 16.50 20.24 24.16 28.26 32.52 36.92 41.60 46.70
    0.168 5.70 9.20 12.90 16.53 20.30 24.26 28.20 32.28 36.56 40.93 46.17
    0.145 5.63 9.13 12.66 16.30 20.00 23.96 27.96 32.06 36.46 40.86 45.94
    
    S-H1 H1-2 H2-3 H3-4 H4-5 H5-6 H6-7 H7-8 H8-9 H9-10 H10-F Final
    5.72 3.52 3.58 3.68 3.82 3.92 4.10 4.18 4.40 4.68 5.10   46.70
    5.70 3.50 3.70 3.63 3.77 3.96 3.94 4.08 4.28 4.37 5.24   46.17
    5.63 3.50 3.53 3.64 3.70 3.96 4.00 4.10 4.40 4.40 5.08   45.94
    I guess Karsten optimized his own race, no need for help from me! Whereas it looks like RB pretty much ran just shy of old WR pace through 6 hurdles before starting to outpace it, KW went out even faster, getting to near a quarter-second advantage on his WR and then putting himself an extra tenth ahead per hurdle between a few hurdles (H6-7, H7-8, H9-10 two tenths here) in the second half of the race.
    Last edited by Rack; 08-12-2021, 02:39 PM.

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  • proofs in the pudd'in
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    Originally posted by gh View Post

    purists include a break for Moses in the year in which he ran the semis at the AAU but skipped the final
    Understood, but how do we get 122 when WA only has 114 (including 14 heats and semis)?

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by proofs in the pudd'in View Post
    Going over some of the race info for Moses on here and reading "A History of Modern Track and Field Athletics 1860-1990" it seems we might have a problem Houston.

    From the info on WA Moses' first victory starting his streak was Sep.2nd 1977. We should be not counting from his last loss prior to this. Running the clock forward we have June 4th 1987 for his first loss since (not counting pulling out from the final on June 8th 1984 nor competing in 1982 & 85). Including Sep.2nd and excluding June 4th you have 9y 9m 2d. Also,WA lists 114 races between this time including 14 Heats and Semifinals. Thus his streak is 100 final victories or 114 races. How did we arrive at 122? Are there some missing races? The above book references 122 including heats and semis.
    purists include a break for Moses in the year in which he ran the semis at the AAU but skipped the final

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  • KevinR
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    I've done almost all the events, and even though it was my primary event, I dreaded it more than the others.

    That said, I haven't run the Steeplechase or the Marathon, because my fear of them is even greater.
    I am in a boat similar to yours. But I loved the 400H. While I did not have the speed, strength or natural talent of most of my peers, I had pretty good form over the hurdles. And I had a solid base of prayer to get me over the final two barriers.

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  • proofs in the pudd'in
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    Alnes [Karsten's coach] said, “Karsten has gone 13 all the way in several races, but then he needs to overstride at the end. He has been criticized for opening too fast. I totally disagree. I think he finishes too slow.”
    Looks like he has corrected that with his two WR runs using 15 strides between 9 & 10 and better conditioning in the homestretch.

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  • proofs in the pudd'in
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    Originally posted by Tuariki View Post
    Time to update this Tuariki, but this time use the dates starting with the win.
    Last edited by proofs in the pudd'in; 08-09-2021, 07:09 PM.

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  • proofs in the pudd'in
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    Going over some of the race info for Moses on here and reading "A History of Modern Track and Field Athletics 1860-1990" it seems we might have a problem Houston.

    From the info on WA Moses' first victory starting his streak was Sep.2nd 1977. We should be not counting from his last loss prior to this. Running the clock forward we have June 4th 1987 for his first loss since (not counting pulling out from the final on June 8th 1984 nor competing in 1982 & 85). Including Sep.2nd and excluding June 4th you have 9y 9m 2d. Also,WA lists 114 races between this time including 14 Heats and Semifinals. Thus his streak is 100 final victories or 114 races. How did we arrive at 122? Are there some missing races? The above book references 122 including heats and semis.

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  • Patterson Crandall
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    My strategy was always start fast, finish fast!
    Unfortunately it was the middle that was a tad too slow.

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  • Rack
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    The Singular Beauty of the 400-Meter Hurdles
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-singular-beauty-of-the-400-meter-hurdles.html
    Alnes [Karsten's coach] said, “Karsten has gone 13 all the way in several races, but then he needs to overstride at the end. He has been criticized for opening too fast. I totally disagree. I think he finishes too slow.”

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  • Rack
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    Originally posted by ZazaShoya View Post

    Very good job, thanks !
    Could you provide us with some hurdle clearance times ?
    Sure, this is what I pulled for KW from the slow-mo footage:
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       H1    H2    H3    H4    H5    H6    H7    H8    H9   H10
    0.350 0.350 0.353 0.343 0.350 0.358 0.371 0.371 0.388 0.383
    Consistent, if anything! Hurdles must have been growing at the end!

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  • Rack
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    The WORLD RECORD Race Of The 2021 Tokyo Olympics || Rai Benjamin VS. Karsten Warholm
    https://youtu.be/cJyZ-bXucZo?t=165
    Starting to get excited here!

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by Rack View Post
    Why the 400m hurdles is one of the hardest Olympic races
    I've done almost all the events, and even though it was my primary event, I dreaded it more than the others.

    That said, I haven't run the Steeplechase or the Marathon, because my fear of them is even greater.

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  • ATK
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    Originally posted by Rack View Post
    Why the 400m hurdles is one of the hardest Olympic races
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ8S1vbfR7k
    Funny they note Warholm's WR happened at the "Tokyo Olympic Trials"

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  • Rack
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    Why the 400m hurdles is one of the hardest Olympic races
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ8S1vbfR7k

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