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  • #16
    Originally posted by ATK View Post

    When were the final rankings? Because Im seeing Butts-Townsend as #21 and McPherson as #27.
    If you include the height standard achievers she's one spot out of top 32.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Al in NYC View Post

      This whole Road to Tokyo page seems to have been taken down. At least for now.
      Works for me.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Atticus View Post
        At the end of the day, it's who beats whom.
        True, but only for the competition that you are jumping in. Not for qualifying for the Olympics.

        The USA doesn't get to set its own qualifying rules. Like every other country the US has to follow the rules of the IOC and WA.

        And, under the rules she didn't jump high enough during the year or two of the qualifying period, and didn't jump well enough to get a sufficiently high ranking.
        Last edited by Tuariki; 07-06-2021, 11:54 PM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Al in NYC View Post

          This whole Road to Tokyo page seems to have been taken down. At least for now.
          don't know how long it was down, but is fine for me now

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Tuariki View Post
            True, but only for the competition that you are jumping in. Not for qualifying for the Olympics. The USA doesn't get to set its own qualifying rules. Like every other country the US has to follow the rules of the IOC and WA. And, under the rules she didn't jump high enough during the year or two of the qualifying period, and didn't jump well enough to get a sufficiently high ranking.
            You're right. I just think that USATF's policy was so poorly worded that no one was sure till the very end how it worked. That should never be the case.

            As it turned out it did work out in a way that the policy covered, but with just a few more amplifying comments, it could have been much clearer. The object of communication is to ensure quick and easy understanding of that which is communicated.

            This AP Lang grader gives the essay a 4 (out of 9). It was 'adequate', but the development and proof of its thesis were poor, leaving readers to try and make sense of it themselves.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Atticus View Post
              You're right. I just think that USATF's policy was so poorly worded that no one was sure till the very end how it worked. That should never be the case.

              As it turned out it did work out in a way that the policy covered, but with just a few more amplifying comments, it could have been much clearer. The object of communication is to ensure quick and easy understanding of that which is communicated.

              This AP Lang grader gives the essay a 4 (out of 9). It was 'adequate', but the development and proof of its thesis were poor, leaving readers to try and make sense of it themselves.
              Do you think that the extended qualiying period was whst ultimately messed up McPherson's world ranking?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Tuariki View Post
                Do you think that the extended qualifying period was whst ultimately messed up McPherson's world ranking?
                I think that was fair, given the Covid circumstances.

                As I look at the 'Road To' final list. I see McPherson is listed as the 33rd person (one out of the quota), BUT . . . two people ahead of her were Americans she beat at the OT. I think that WA should have let USATF decline tose two spots, raising her to 31st, inside the quota. Simple as that.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                  At the end of the day, it's who beats whom.
                  It's funny though that's what the WA ranking is all about 😉.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by nico21 View Post

                    It's funny though that's what the WA ranking is all about 😉.
                    I wish. The convoluted ranking of the various meet types and the fact that fields can vary immensely within a given meet make that not remotely true.
                    Last edited by donley2; 07-07-2021, 01:13 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                      I think that was fair, given the Covid circumstances.

                      As I look at the 'Road To' final list. I see McPherson is listed as the 33rd person (one out of the quota), BUT . . . two people ahead of her were Americans she beat at the OT. I think that WA should have let USATF decline tose two spots, raising her to 31st, inside the quota. Simple as that.
                      Athletes and managers need to understand what goes into the ranking. If you're in a weak event - High jump in US - you need to get into international competitions which have higher rankings than US competitions.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                        As I look at the 'Road To' final list. I see McPherson is listed as the 33rd person (one out of the quota), BUT . . . two people ahead of her were Americans she beat at the OT. I think that WA should have let USATF decline tose two spots, raising her to 31st, inside the quota. Simple as that.
                        We certainly know that the USATF rule was worded poorly in terms of weird situations like this.

                        But do we know if the IAAF (yeah, I know) procedures allowed the "moving up" resulting from non-entered athletes? I suppose they would have in order to fill the field to if a higher-ranking athlete wasn't submitted at all.

                        That's why the idea you floated a couple days ago of a preliminary entry step made sense. It's possible that non-entered athletes could impact someone from another country as well as one's own.
                        Last edited by cigar95; 07-07-2021, 01:31 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by gh View Post

                          don't know how long it was down, but is fine for me now
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                          Hopefully all good now

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                            I think that was fair, given the Covid circumstances.

                            As I look at the 'Road To' final list. I see McPherson is listed as the 33rd person (one out of the quota), BUT . . . two people ahead of her were Americans she beat at the OT. I think that WA should have let USATF decline tose two spots, raising her to 31st, inside the quota. Simple as that.
                            I imagine doing thst would have seen USTAF being taken to Court, and justifiably so. As President Biden said re SCR, the rules are the rules.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Tuariki View Post
                              I imagine doing thst would have seen USTAF being taken to Court, and justifiably so. As President Biden said re SCR, the rules are the rules.
                              Not if USATF had been able to do that BEFORE July 1.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                                I think that was fair, given the Covid circumstances.

                                As I look at the 'Road To' final list. I see McPherson is listed as the 33rd person (one out of the quota), BUT . . . two people ahead of her were Americans she beat at the OT. I think that WA should have let USATF decline tose two spots, raising her to 31st, inside the quota. Simple as that.
                                WA let USATF decline those spots ... sort of. The deadline for countries to decline spots was June 29, but the final ranking list was published July 1. So USATF would have had to decline a spot based on expectations of how the rankings would shake out 2 days later, not based on the actual final rankings.

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