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  • #76
    That situation will not happen again after there was a rule change. Rule 261.1.a now requires an athlete to be able to represent the U.S. in international competition at the time of the performance, so people like Duplantis will no longer be able to claim ARs (not that any of them wanted them to begin with, AFAIK).

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    • #77
      Regardless of which record is used, Hocker is highly unlikely to run 3:29 in Tokyo absent a lot of shangri-la thinking.

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      • #78
        Agreed. He may be able to get it, one day. But I doubt seriously that after earlier rounds, and such a big prize up for the taking, the race will be slower.

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        • #79
          So far Hocker seems to find a way to do the one thing that matters. Win. He is such a competitive animal, if it means running 3:29 to be close to TC and having a run at him down the stretch I wouldn't put it past thim.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Steele View Post
            That whole change of country was bogus, you can't win a medal under another country's flag and claim to be an American. Nope.
            Everybody agrees with you in principle. It's just that those American records by Lagat, Kallur, Duplantis et al while representing other countries were the unintended consequence of how the old rule was worded.

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            • #81
              FWIW, the T&FN U.S. All-Time List shows Lagat's 3:29.30, from 8/28/05, as the AR.

              https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-li...time-list-men/

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              • #82
                Originally posted by bobguild76 View Post
                FWIW, the T&FN U.S. All-Time List shows Lagat's 3:29.30, from 8/28/05, as the AR.

                https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-li...time-list-men/
                no, it shows that we consider the 3:29 as fastest US-eligible time.

                if you look at our records section, the 3:27 is listed, because we list USATF-ratified marks as records (but are under no compunction to follow their lead on our ATLs)

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Steele View Post
                  you can't win a medal under another country's flag and claim to be an American. Nope.
                  'Fraid that's my view as well. It doesn't matter that he 'wanted' to be an American then; it's how the IAAF operated then.

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                  • #84
                    But the USATF rules said he can set a record and they acknowledged it.

                    I think we have to be ok understanding that different governing bodies, entities and organizations have different rules for things like this.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by gh View Post

                      no, it shows that we consider the 3:29 as fastest US-eligible time.

                      if you look at our records section, the 3:27 is listed, because we list USATF-ratified marks as records (but are under no compunction to follow their lead on our ATLs)
                      Got it. Thank you for the clarification.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by gh View Post

                        maybe even closer to 20 than 40
                        bump

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by gh View Post
                          bump
                          Schadenfreude!

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                          • #88
                            Boy, this thread had a gloomy early phase.

                            gh - can't tell if that's a self high-five, or if you're sharing in the collective American grief over the disappointing results.
                            You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!

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                            • #89
                              What grief.....the Americans don't have to win all the time...

                              Some amazing performances...who cares where they are from....

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                                What grief.....the Americans don't have to win all the time...Some amazing performances...who cares where they are from....
                                There's nothing more natural than to root for your country(wo)men. I enjoy all the events but am 'proud' when Americans do well. In that regard, I think I'm in mighty good company, my fellow Americans.

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