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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post

    Beg your pardon. In my benighted troglodyte condition I didn't know you couldn't root for your countrymen.

    I confused the people dressed in various national colors, spending tens if thousands of dollars to attend in person and make loud mouth-noises, as fans.

    Who knew? 🤷‍♂️
    That's nothing remotely what I said...or implied... people can cheer for whomever they want...

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  • scottmitchell74
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    What grief.....the Americans don't have to win all the time...

    Some amazing performances...who cares where they are from....
    Beg your pardon. In my benighted troglodyte condition I didn't know you couldn't root for your countrymen.

    I confused the people dressed in various national colors, spending tens if thousands of dollars to attend in person and make loud mouth-noises, as fans.

    Who knew? 🤷‍♂️

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    There's nothing more natural than to root for your country(wo)men. I enjoy all the events but am 'proud' when Americans do well. In that regard, I think I'm in mighty good company, my fellow Americans.
    Most of the elite I knew well were British....with a few other Europeans..and a few East Africans and a few from NZ and Australia...

    I like to see the Ducks do well is about it these days. And one of the Brits in the 1500 I've known since he was 7 months old...

    Is sad the Americans can't do well in the 4x1.... so there is that...
    Last edited by Conor Dary; 08-05-2021, 11:46 PM.

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    What grief.....the Americans don't have to win all the time...Some amazing performances...who cares where they are from....
    There's nothing more natural than to root for your country(wo)men. I enjoy all the events but am 'proud' when Americans do well. In that regard, I think I'm in mighty good company, my fellow Americans.

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  • Conor Dary
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    What grief.....the Americans don't have to win all the time...

    Some amazing performances...who cares where they are from....

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  • scottmitchell74
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    Boy, this thread had a gloomy early phase.

    gh - can't tell if that's a self high-five, or if you're sharing in the collective American grief over the disappointing results.

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by gh View Post
    bump
    Schadenfreude!

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by gh View Post

    maybe even closer to 20 than 40
    bump

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  • bobguild76
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    Originally posted by gh View Post

    no, it shows that we consider the 3:29 as fastest US-eligible time.

    if you look at our records section, the 3:27 is listed, because we list USATF-ratified marks as records (but are under no compunction to follow their lead on our ATLs)
    Got it. Thank you for the clarification.

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  • ATK
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    But the USATF rules said he can set a record and they acknowledged it.

    I think we have to be ok understanding that different governing bodies, entities and organizations have different rules for things like this.

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by Steele View Post
    you can't win a medal under another country's flag and claim to be an American. Nope.
    'Fraid that's my view as well. It doesn't matter that he 'wanted' to be an American then; it's how the IAAF operated then.

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by bobguild76 View Post
    FWIW, the T&FN U.S. All-Time List shows Lagat's 3:29.30, from 8/28/05, as the AR.

    https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-li...time-list-men/
    no, it shows that we consider the 3:29 as fastest US-eligible time.

    if you look at our records section, the 3:27 is listed, because we list USATF-ratified marks as records (but are under no compunction to follow their lead on our ATLs)

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  • bobguild76
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    FWIW, the T&FN U.S. All-Time List shows Lagat's 3:29.30, from 8/28/05, as the AR.

    https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-li...time-list-men/

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  • 18.99s
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    Originally posted by Steele View Post
    That whole change of country was bogus, you can't win a medal under another country's flag and claim to be an American. Nope.
    Everybody agrees with you in principle. It's just that those American records by Lagat, Kallur, Duplantis et al while representing other countries were the unintended consequence of how the old rule was worded.

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  • Steele
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    So far Hocker seems to find a way to do the one thing that matters. Win. He is such a competitive animal, if it means running 3:29 to be close to TC and having a run at him down the stretch I wouldn't put it past thim.

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