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  • Meuwly weighs in on the super spike debate: If you're Adidas or Asics, bad luck

    Laurent Meuwly says those athletes with Nike, New Balance and Puma 'super spikes' are getting an advantage over those with Adidas and Asics. By his estimation, it's between 0.5 and 0.7 in the 400m, 0.3 in the 200m and 0.1 to 0.15 in the 100m.

    He acknowledges they may benefit some athletes more than others, depending on their running style and how efficient they are, but there is an advantage to be had.

    He coaches athletes with different sponsors.

    https://www.ad.nl/olympische-spelen/...hter~a280e3ca/


  • #2
    So what about:

    Shaunae Miller-Uibo
    Noah Lyles
    Grant Holloway
    Erriyon Knighton
    Akani Simbine
    Keni Harrison
    Shamire Little
    Steven Gardiner
    Wayde Van Niekerk

    Sorry, but as amazing as Miller-Uibo is, I would be surprised if by changing her spikes, she goes from 48.3 to 47.8-47.6 or Lyles goes from 19.50 to 19.20.
    Last edited by ATK; 07-21-2021, 06:25 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post
      By his estimation, it's between 0.5 and 0.7 in the 400m, 0.3 in the 200m and 0.1 to 0.15 in the 100m.
      And it may be more. I fell in love with adidas the first time I put on a pair of Tokyo 64 (irony!) in 1967.
      But they are really dropping the ball by not having a super-shoe for this Tokyo. Nike (and Puma, NB to a lesser degree) will dominate 100-Marathon, hurdles, plus the LJ. Not sure about PV or TJ yet, but it stands to reason that they'll help there too. There is not a HJ spike is there? That would be 8 feet right there. Oh yeah, the Multis will benefit too.

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      • #4
        From what I understood, Asics at least did release its own super spikes. Several of the top Polish w400 specialists are with them and they got their carbon-plated shoes a few months ago.
        Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Atticus View Post
          And it may be more. I fell in love with adidas the first time I put on a pair of Tokyo 64 (irony!) in 1967.
          But they are really dropping the ball by not having a super-shoe for this Tokyo. Nike (and Puma, NB to a lesser degree) will dominate 100-Marathon, hurdles, plus the LJ. Not sure about PV or TJ yet, but it stands to reason that they'll help there too. There is not a HJ spike is there? That would be 8 feet right there. Oh yeah, the Multis will benefit too.
          Not sure that the title Tokyo is going to do much for the marketing, honestly. While they say there is no such thing as bad press, I think this is the exception.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KevinR View Post

            Not sure that the title Tokyo is going to do much for the marketing, honestly. While they say there is no such thing as bad press, I think this is the exception.
            Even the Japanese business community thinks Tokyo Olympics is poison for marketing....

            Track for Adidas these days is not much of a thing... the little they do is probably more for nostalgia than anything else...soccer is the thing.

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            Last edited by Conor Dary; 07-21-2021, 07:40 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Atticus View Post
              And it may be more. I fell in love with adidas the first time I put on a pair of Tokyo 64 (irony!) in 1967..
              The 'Adidas rep came to our HS in 1961, and I bought a pair of lower-end spikes. But later I bought my Melbourne model, which I still have.
              Cheers,
              Alan Shank

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              • #8
                Unlike today in the 60s the Olympics were practically the only place for the shoe companies to market. Of course the IOC being the IOC even considered before 1968 all the shoes being completely white so no one would be able to tell who was wearing what. I had a pair of white Tiger Marathons I got in 1971.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Alan Shank View Post

                  The 'Adidas rep came to our HS in 1961, and I bought a pair of lower-end spikes. But later I bought my Melbourne model, which I still have.
                  Cheers,
                  Alan Shank
                  Alan Shank

                  I just read an incredible short story called The Things and in the comment section an Alan Shank commented, and signed off with "cheers."

                  Could that be you?
                  You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
                    I just read an incredible short story called The Things
                    Made me read it! So very cool, but makes me disgusted by my human frailty. I want to be one of . . . Them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                      Made me read it! So very cool, but makes me disgusted by my human frailty. I want to be one of . . . Them.
                      I know we couldn't be further off topic, but I can't get Mr. Shank to answer his private messages (guessing he might not check them) and I'm dying to know if that's him. Would be very weird if anothe Alan Shank also signed off with "cheers."

                      Carpenter's The Thing is easily one of my favorites and that short story blew me away.
                      You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Powell View Post
                        From what I understood, Asics at least did release its own super spikes. Several of the top Polish w400 specialists are with them and they got their carbon-plated shoes a few months ago.
                        https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13982524

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ATK View Post
                          So what about:

                          Sorry, but as amazing as Miller-Uibo is, I would be surprised if by changing her spikes, she goes from 48.3 to 47.8-47.6 or Lyles goes from 19.50 to 19.20.
                          But Lyles isn't in 19.5 form, and neither is SMU in 48.3 form. That's them at their very best, and who knows what they could have run with the super spikes in those races. Pre 2019 I think we would all have been surprised to read that SMU runs 48.3....and gets beaten by someone else running 48.1.

                          Just on the women's side, at the top it's been crazy. SAFP running in the 10.6's and a huge PB over 200m aged 34, one can easily see how the Nike spikes would give 0.3 over 200m, a 22.0-22.1 seems much more realistic for her at that age in that event. Similarly with Gabby Thomas, going to number 2 all time, that 21.6 might be 21.8 or 21.9 with normal spikes. Same with McLaughlin and Bol at 51.9 and 52.3...

                          The men have seen less crazy times, maybe there is something there in the different benefit it gives, who knows.

                          Either way, if I were with Adidas I wouldn't want to be waiting till 2024 for super spikes.



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post

                            But Lyles isn't in 19.5 form, and neither is SMU in 48.3 form. That's them at their very best, and who knows what they could have run with the super spikes in those races. Pre 2019 I think we would all have been surprised to read that SMU runs 48.3....and gets beaten by someone else running 48.1.

                            Just on the women's side, at the top it's been crazy. SAFP running in the 10.6's and a huge PB over 200m aged 34, one can easily see how the Nike spikes would give 0.3 over 200m, a 22.0-22.1 seems much more realistic for her at that age in that event. Similarly with Gabby Thomas, going to number 2 all time, that 21.6 might be 21.8 or 21.9 with normal spikes. Same with McLaughlin and Bol at 51.9 and 52.3...

                            The men have seen less crazy times, maybe there is something there in the different benefit it gives, who knows.

                            Either way, if I were with Adidas I wouldn't want to be waiting till 2024 for super spikes.
                            Those are just two examples out of the many names I listed.

                            Grant Holloway is in 12.81 form. Switch spikes he's running 12.71 - 12.66?
                            Erriyon Knighton is in 19.84 form. Switch spikes he's running 19.54?
                            Shamire Little is in 52.39 form. Switch spikes and she's running 51.89 - 51.69?

                            Sorry not convinced simply lacing up new spikes gives you that much advantage as is being implied. Sure the technology is improving, but I feel its being too over hyped while not enough credit is given to other factors that go into an athletes performance and success.

                            Even you have been hyping up Bol for a while. I didnt expect her to be this fast yet, but I'm sure its because various factors (factors you have noted over the months) not just her shoes and in reality she is just a 53.00 runner. Sydney ran 52.23 in Doha 2 years ago. Making a .33 improvement since then is not just because of the spikes she is wearing.
                            Last edited by ATK; 07-22-2021, 03:41 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ATK View Post
                              Sorry not convinced simply lacing up new spikes gives you that much advantage as is being implied.
                              We differ on that. I have reason to believe that the first time you put them on, you feel and see the difference and the stopwatch confirms it in training.
                              But I do get that you would need more 'evidence' than that. Have you talked to anyone who has tried them? I have.
                              Last edited by Atticus; 07-22-2021, 03:47 PM.

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