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  • Originally posted by gm View Post

    The Diamond League isn't a nation vs. nation competition, so it doesn't make much sense to me for the flag to be carried around.
    I see thats an understandable point. One thing the flag would make sense for is that winning the DL, in most but not all cases (see USA), grants you a chance to represent your country at the next world championships. (But I know for a fact this is not why they give them a flag, because they also gave the winners flags at the Brussels DL)

    But meh, if an athlete wanted to celebrate with a neon light flashing monkey robot riding on their back, I'm all for it. Do what you want if you win.

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    • Originally posted by gm View Post

      The Diamond League isn't a nation vs. nation competition, so it doesn't make much sense to me for the flag to be carried around.
      This custom isn't unique to the Diamond League. They also wave flags and play the national anthem of the winner at Grand Tour bike races.

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      • Originally posted by ATK View Post

        I see thats an understandable point. One thing the flag would make sense for is that winning the DL, in most but not all cases (see USA), grants you a chance to represent your country at the next world championships. (But I know for a fact this is not why they give them a flag, because they also gave the winners flags at the Brussels DL)

        But meh, if an athlete wanted to celebrate with a neon light flashing monkey robot riding on their back, I'm all for it. Do what you want if you win.
        But in this case it is a meet official bringing out the flag to the winner. I know this sounds weird but I don't have a problem with it but I find it odd.

        In Hayes' case...after her race when she's lying on the ground she had flowers dropped in her lap and the flag thrown over her. I was ready for some bagpipes and some tissues.

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        • Originally posted by ATK View Post
          Also, seems that Kendell Williams will get the wild card in the Heptathlon for winning the 2021 Combined Events Challenge.
          Did I miss this? Hard to believe.

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          • Originally posted by NotDutra5 View Post

            But in this case it is a meet official bringing out the flag to the winner. I know this sounds weird but I don't have a problem with it but I find it odd.

            In Hayes' case...after her race when she's lying on the ground she had flowers dropped in her lap and the flag thrown over her. I was ready for some bagpipes and some tissues.
            Between the mascots at some meets, sometimes the bottles or sports drinks and branded towels they try to give athletes after crossing the line, the meet organizers want photos, videos and moments to share from their meet. I'm sure if they could get the winners to hold up signs that said "I love the Zurich diamond league" as they crossed the line, they would do it just for years of promotion.

            Also, come on...you exaggerated the flowers and flag a bit here. They handed Hayes the flowers while she was on the ground. And for the flag, the person patiently waited for the right moment and draped it on her back like a cape. Very similar to how Kirani James draped the flag around Gardiner after the Olympic 400m. I thought it was a nice gesture especially in the midst of making Hayes feel like a champion despite a rollercoaster season.

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            • Originally posted by Bruce Kritzler View Post

              Did I miss this? Hard to believe.
              https://worldathletics.org/competiti...ips-nairobi-21
              "Defending world champions will be offered a wild card entry, as will the winners of the 2021 Diamond League, Race Walk Challenge, Combined Events Challenge and the leading hammer performers on the Continental Tour."

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              • Originally posted by ATK View Post
                Michael Cherry! This was his trials as well and he knew it with that dive! He also gets the wild card to Eugene!
                After the Olympic 400m, Cherry told Lewis Johnson "I should have dove." So I think he learned his own lesson rather quickly.

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                • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                  Eh-yup! Not sure if it will take, but for now, every day is Saturday!
                  Congratulations! I know I’ve enjoyed the heck out of my first two years, covid19 not withstanding.

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                  • Originally posted by ATK View Post
                    Forget non-winning, that is the overall 3rd best single day double in history,
                    1. 29.48 – Justin Gatlin (9.77, 19.71) – September 5, 2014 – Brussels
                    2. 29.59 – Divine Oduduru (9.87, 19.73 ) – June 7, 2019 – Austin
                    3. 29.61 – Andre De Grasse (9.89, 19.72) August 9th, 2021 – Zurich
                    4. 29.67 – Ato Boldon (9.90, 19.77) – July 13, 1997 – Stuttgart
                    5. 29.70 – Divine Oduduru (9.94, 19.76) – April 20, 2019 – Waco
                    Thanks for posting this list... Didnt realize how high up he'd be. I'm sure someone will break Gatlins same day double (29 48) long before anyone goes below Degrasse''s 29.59 without winning at least one of the races.


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                    • Originally posted by ATK View Post
                      Is there a case for Bol to rank #2 in the world ahead of Muhammad in the 400mH (#1 ahead of Sydney?)

                      Or Olympics keeps them safe?
                      I'd say no chance. That one race dictated the pecking order, and properly so.

                      Muhammad was eligible to run in Diamond League finals but chose not to. She might have been the only Tokyo medalist who competed in Eugene, then traveled to Europe, but competed only once and opted out of the finals. That poor effort in Lausanne when Bol defeated her easily might have been enough to convince Muhammad to pack it in.

                      I was very pleased that Bol finished it out today. She had a near flawless season but it would have ended on a real sour note if she had lost the two biggest races, especially after defeating Shamier Little every prior meeting. Bol sustained enough energy to use 15 steps throughout today, just like Tokyo. That is huge for her because it enables her to hurdle with her strong left leg every time. Bol's right lead is comparatively awful right now, maybe the greatest disparity I've ever seen for an elite hurdler. It is mostly a bloop. Her results really advanced once she got strong enough to use 15 throughout, compared to previously when it was 16 on 9 and 10.

                      Also, I wasn't posting here during the Olympics so I'm not sure if that mixed relay race received full scrutiny. The Dutch coaching staff had to be absolutely sick at the way it turned out. They gained a total of 1.41 seconds via the two changes made from heat to final. Liemarvin Bonevacia opened the final with 44.80 compared to Jochem Dobber 45.56 in the heat. Bol split 49.74 during the third leg of the final compared to Lisanne deWitte 50.39 in the heat. However, the two holdover legs worsened a total of 1.03 seconds. Lieke Klaver on second leg dropped from 50.37 to 50.70, and most devastatingly Ramsey Angela at anchor collapsed from 44.37 to 45.07. Angela got too confident entering the final turn and accelerated early. He led for a long time but gave way late and faded to 4th, beaten .49 for gold and .14 for bronze. Ramsey then anchored the men's 4 x 400 to 44.23 in the heat and 44.12 in the final, winning silver. The outlier clearly was the 45.07 in the mixed final.

                      I felt awful for those mixed athletes because I've followed the deWitte sisters YouTube channel for a couple of years. This was the big chance. Those videos are a very interesting look at the lifestyle, mindset, training schedules and struggles of borderline world class track athletes. I remember when Femke Bol started appearing in those videos. She was the grinning lanky newcomer who had a positive attitude about everything. Any training session through the forest was great. Lactic was great. Obviously at the time I assumed I would never see her name outside of those obscure videos.

                      Lieke Klaver is built like a heptathlete. She is fast and tightens up late. But I have no idea how Lisanne deWitte ran 50.39 in the first place. She is more like 52 on a good day. Likewise the two middle legs of the Dutch men's relay final were preposterous, a 43.7 from a 46 guy and a 44.2 from an 800 specialist. Other than Ramsey Angela screwing up one leg of the mixed relay Netherlands would have been the touted relay maximizing country exiting Tokyo, instead of Poland.

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                      • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                        McMaster is from the British Virgin Islands. I was astounded to discover that there are a grand total of 30.000 citizens of BVI!!
                        There are probably more companies than that registered in the BVI to avoid tax!

                        For the 2012 London Olympics, I think their T&F team consisted of one woman sprinter (Tahesia Harrigan??), She and her husband stayed in a small village about 5 miles from where I live to prepare for the Games.
                        Last edited by Trickstat; 09-10-2021, 12:44 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Awsi Dooger View Post
                          Likewise the two middle legs of the Dutch men's relay final were preposterous, a 43.7 from a 46 guy and a 44.2 from an 800 specialist.
                          The latter, Tony Van Diepen has won European indoor 400m medals with a best indoor time of 46.06, so he is pretty quick for an 800m runner who has just sneaked under 1:45.

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                          • Originally posted by JMysterio View Post

                            Viren didn't wrap himself in the flag. He did a victory lap win Finnish fans following him waving the Finnish flag.

                            EDIT: That was in 1972. But I don't think flag wrapping first started well into the millineum.
                            In Virén's time, it would have been considered disrespectful towards the flag to wrap one's sweaty body in it. When Tiina Lillak used the flag as a shawl after having won silver in 1984, I remember thinking "what in the earth is she doing". O tempora, o mores.

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                            • I'm also getting a bit tired of seeing all these athletes flopping all over the ground. It seems to be a new thing.

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                              • I do think it would be nice to see something like cycling where the world champion wears a distinctive jersey all year while they are reigning champ. Champs also wear rainbow stripes on their jersey sleeves for the rest of their career. Similarly national champions wear their national champ jersey while they are reigning champs. It breaks up the parade of trade team kit and for T&F would give a break from races full of the same Nike kit.

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