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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by JMysterio View Post
    If Crouser competes in 15 meets per year over the next 6 or 7 years and remains unbeaten he should break Moses undefeated record.
    Moses's streak is to T&F what DiMaggio's 56-game-hitting-streak is to baseball - an unbreakable record.
    You not only have to be the very best, by far, but you need a lot of lucky breaks along the way.
    RC is that good, but he'll also need to be very lucky.

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  • LuckySpikes
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    Originally posted by ATK View Post
    Crouser's AOY spot seems to be set (is he doing any more continental tour meets?).
    Zagreb on the 13th.

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  • ATK
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    Crouser's AOY spot seems to be set (is he doing any more continental tour meets?).

    I do wonder though what thoughts would be if tomorrow Warholm was to (unlikely) set a world record of 45.8x. I still think his 45.94 should be POY.

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  • IloveFelix
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    Originally posted by Dave View Post

    Now he looks like AOY. Undefeated, new world record, Olympic champion.
    I am Norwegian and think Warholm's 400 hurdles WR as well as the 300 hurdles WB were out of this world, still Crouser for AOY is a no-brainer IMO.

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  • JMysterio
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    7 years....that is a pretty big if...
    Let me explain, O' Great Dismissive One...

    First, Moses' streak is unbelievable so of course it's a pretty big if. However, there are many things going for Crouser that were going for Moses during his streak.

    Comparison to his peers. RC is a foot and a half ahead of the next current guy, Kovacs. So he can have an off day and still win (like he did today). Or someone younger who is not yet out on the circuit will need to be throwing over 74 consistently and hope RC has an off day. I see no such young guy as of this writing, even in the US.

    Historical perspective. RC has 8 of the top 11 all-time throws and 8 of the 13 throws in history over 75 feet. 3 of those throws were by guys who are long gone, Kovacs and Walsh have the other two. After that, no one is close historically and again there is no one on the horizon that looks like they'll be capable.

    Opportunity. You get 6 throws. All you need is one to win. You have a better chance with more opportunity to win.

    Longevity. The amazing thing about Moses' record is he avoided serious injury and even if he had a minor one he still was able to compete. Even in training he remained healthy. In the shot, you of course can have injury, also likely in training but the event itself often does not lead to injury. Of the throws, it's likely the least stressful on the body. Also, a thrower can last a long time, Al Oerter won 4 Golds in the Discus. RC will likely still be throwing well over 74 feet when he's 34. And once again, unless someone out there shows they can throw that far I don't see anyone beating him.

    I'd say right now Kovacs is the only one who has a chance, beyond him there may not be a 75 footer for quite a while.

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  • Conor Dary
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    7 years....that is a pretty big if...

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  • JMysterio
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    If Crouser competes in 15 meets per year over the next 6 or 7 years and remains unbeaten he should break Moses undefeated record.

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  • Dave
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    Originally posted by Tuariki View Post

    He looked like (was) AOY after he won in Tokyo.

    After winning Tokyo Crouser besides the WR had:
    * The 4 longest throws of the year (now 6)
    * 6 of the 10 longest throws of the year (now 8)
    * undefeated in 8 competitions (now 12)

    No one else was close then, and since Tokyo the gap has just grown bigger.
    My comment was an attempt to juxtapose someones comment saying he looked like a caged tiger. At the end of the day, he had closed out his undefeated season…

    I absolutely agree that barring some mishap after Tokyo, he was the odds on favorite to win AOY. That mishap never came. It is really hard to imagine someone picking anyone else in spite of their fine performances.

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  • Tuariki
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    Originally posted by Dave View Post

    Now he looks like AOY. Undefeated, new world record, Olympic champion.
    He looked like (was) AOY after he won in Tokyo.

    After winning Tokyo Crouser besides the WR had:
    * The 4 longest throws of the year (now 6)
    * 6 of the 10 longest throws of the year (now 8)
    * undefeated in 8 competitions (now 12)

    No one else was close then, and since Tokyo the gap has just grown bigger.

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  • bobguild76
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    Originally posted by Dave View Post

    Now he looks like AOY. Undefeated, new world record, Olympic champion.
    Yes.

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  • JumboElliott
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    How incredible is Ryan Crouser?

    He had an "off" day today, and still threw over 74 feet.

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    Watching the women's 5000 made think that Shaunae Miller and Athing Mu should get on their knees and thank God that they compete in protected events. It wouldn't surprise me if DSD athletes win all the track events exvept the 400 and 800 at a global championship in the not-to-distant future.
    let's not pollute a news-based thread with more extraneous meanderings please

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  • Trickstat
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    6.96 in Span's win. Superb technician.
    She has to be one of the most consistent world-class LJers there has ever been, male or female.

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  • steveu
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    Yay for Ewen! On to Eugene!
    Very good! Add her to the list of athletes who have really had a super post-Trials and/or Tokyo campaign (some who did not compete in Tokyo, of course).

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    Watching the women's 5000 made think that Shaunae Miller and Athing Mu should get on their knees and thank God that they compete in protected events. It wouldn't surprise me if DSD athletes win all the track events exvept the 400 and 800 at a global championship in the not-to-distant future.
    Yes indeed.

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