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  • DrJay
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    Originally posted by Tuariki View Post

    Crouser is really screwed then
    Yeah, but can you imagine his 800 time in the new shoes?

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  • jazzcyclist
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    'Twas.
    I am not convinced that putting KW and RB on the Koblenz track in 1983 would have changed who won.
    Did Moses have anyone to push him the way the current hurdlers push each other? The US is the world's greatest 400 nation and we're using 400 hurdlers on our relays these days, Bol is the Netherlands' best quartermiler and Warholm is Norwat's best.
    Last edited by jazzcyclist; 09-15-2021, 08:55 PM.

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by Tuariki View Post

    Crouser is really screwed then
    Just retire and get it over with.

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  • Tuariki
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    And of course running fast times and winning is a career killer....

    There are two factors now working against Sydney: a too-good time in her main event and the pressures of being at the top.
    Crouser is really screwed then

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by ATK View Post
    The shoes and tracks comment may be in reference to your note on the improvement of WR by multiple athletes within the past year
    'Twas.
    I am not convinced that putting KW and RB on the Koblenz track in 1983 would have changed who won.

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  • ATK
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    Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

    What do shoes and tracks have to do with his lack of rivals?
    The shoes and tracks comment may be in reference to your note on the improvement of WR by multiple athletes within the past year

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  • jazzcyclist
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    As we noted in multiple threads about shoes and tracks, there are confounding variables at play here.
    What do shoes and tracks have to do with his lack of rivals?

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    But it was so suppose to be so hard! Says our 'expert'...
    Which is exactly why Moses is incomparable.

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    There are no more Edwin Moseses. He was a machine.
    Comparing Karsten or Rai or Sydney or Dalilah or Femke to him is a non-starter.
    When any of them get to a win streak over 100, call me.
    There are already cracks in SL's psyche (no judgment!). As a fan, I want her to run the decade out - as a person. I just want her to be happy.

    P.S. And yes, MANY of us want to see Crouser throw the Discus!!
    But it was so suppose to be so hard! Says our 'expert'...

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  • JMysterio
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    Originally posted by ATK View Post
    A tree was planted yet new branches grew
    In this case an apple tree and oranges grew on the branches.

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    Did Moses ever have a rival comparable to the rivals that the current 400 hurdlers have? This summer 6 athletes run faster than the WR that existed prior to the start of summer.
    As we noted in multiple threads about shoes and tracks, there are confounding variables at play here.

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  • ATK
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    Originally posted by JMysterio View Post
    The whole post was about Bol has a huge upside and can get faster. She's been a hurdler for less than two years and is at a different stage of her development. These tangential posts are just talking points.
    A tree was planted yet new branches grew

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  • jazzcyclist
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    There are no more Edwin Moseses. He was a machine.
    Comparing Karsten or Rai or Sydney or Dalilah or Femke to him is a non-starter.
    When any of them get to a win streak over 100, call me.
    Did Moses ever have a rival comparable to the rivals that the current 400 hurdlers have? This summer 6 athletes run faster than the WR that existed prior to the start of summer.
    Last edited by jazzcyclist; 09-15-2021, 05:44 PM.

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  • JMysterio
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    Originally posted by ATK View Post

    I think as noted above, close is pretty subjective. I do think SM and FB flat PBs are "close", but in an actual 400m, 0.30 is not a "close" margin of victory (again, see Tokyo Mens 400m final). But your right its hard to gauge as they haven't raced.

    But I do think flat speed is part of the conversation and not unrelated if we are comparing the ladies. Note that without her superior flat speed, McLaughlin would seldom, if ever, beat Muhammad.
    The whole post was about Bol has a huge upside and can get faster. She's been a hurdler for less than two years and is at a different stage of her development. These tangential posts are just talking points.






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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Right....I remember that Edwin Moses had the same problem. Very sad.
    There are no more Edwin Moseses. He was a machine.
    Comparing Karsten or Rai or Sydney or Dalilah or Femke to him is a non-starter.
    When any of them get to a win streak over 100, call me.
    There are already cracks in SL's psyche (no judgment!). As a fan, I want her to run the decade out - as a person. I just want her to be happy.

    P.S. And yes, MANY of us want to see Crouser throw the Discus!!

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