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    Atticus
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    Originally posted by ATK View Post
    The farther away the two meets are, the less likely I would be to bet on NCAA athletes making the team. If their goal was to peak for NCAAs, get them while they are still at their best.
    I agree that we shouldn't waste the peak, but I think their bodies and minds would appreciate a week-and-a half off. No need to do any more heavy training, just stay sharp and get some rest.

    We'll see. I'm betting that gm's prediction of June 23-26 (week-and-a-half later) is what it is.

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  • ATK
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    Hard to draw conclusions from that sample, but wouldn't you think that an 11-day turn-around from NCAA to USATF is better than 4 days?
    The farther away the two meets are, the less likely I would be to bet on NCAA athletes making the team. If their goal was to peak for NCAAs, get them while they are still at their best.

    I havent looked at 2019, but would be interested to see how NCAA athletes faired at US Trials so much later.

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by ATK View Post
    Compared to 2016, the short turn around in 2020 saw negligible overall change: https://forum.trackandfieldnews.com/...21#post1703921
    Hard to draw conclusions from that sample, but wouldn't you think that an 11-day turn-around from NCAA to USATF is better than 4 days?
    I would think that even the venue would want the breather!

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  • ATK
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    Super-talents find a way. m400 Ross could have used more rest, but he was so out there, he still made the team. We can find more names on the 'hurt' side, but we'll never know if they would have done any better with more rest, so we'll just assume that less than a week turn-around is less helpful than a week-and-half rest.
    Compared to 2016, the short turn around in 2020 saw negligible overall change: https://forum.trackandfieldnews.com/...21#post1703921

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Yes the NCAAs and Trials being a week apart really hurt Cole Hocker....
    Super-talents find a way. m400 Ross could have used more rest, but he was so out there, he still made the team. We can find more names on the 'hurt' side, but we'll never know if they would have done any better with more rest, so we'll just assume that less than a week turn-around is less helpful than a week-and-half rest.

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  • Juicy News
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    Also Sturgis has gone pro (remember her?).

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  • ATK
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    Originally posted by Atticus View Post
    Top-3 contenders men collegians potentially screwed by the earlier date.

    Laird
    Ross
    Noah Wms
    Brandon Miller
    Nuguse
    Teare
    Mantz
    Selmon
    JuVaughn H
    Grimes
    T Washington
    Garland
    A few of thoes names are pro already (few comments noted in your other thread). And this year showed the short turn around was actually an overall positive for the top NCAA contenders to do well at trials.

    Mu, Hocker, Cockrell, Jewett, Deadmon, McCarter, Sullivan, Ross, Battle, Davis, Aquilla, Moore, Godwin, Nuguse, Harrison, Stewart + all the other names who did well and didnt make the team (ex Tamara Clark)
    ATK
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    Last edited by ATK; 09-30-2021, 02:22 AM.

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  • Conor Dary
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    Yes the NCAAs and Trials being a week apart really hurt Cole Hocker....

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  • Atticus
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  • Atticus
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    Top-3 contenders men collegians potentially screwed by the earlier date.

    Laird
    Ross
    Noah Wms
    Brandon Miller
    Nuguse
    Teare
    Mantz
    Selmon
    JuVaughn H
    Grimes
    T Washington
    Garland

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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by gh View Post
    you can't announce a site/date until contracts have been signed at both ends
    I guess there's no hurry when everyone knows the where and when, within a week's wiggle room, but I really can't see the earlier date.

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  • Conor Dary
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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by gh View Post

    you can't announce a site/date until contracts have been signed at both ends
    Indeed.

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by rsb3 View Post
    It seems interesting to think that either a) the date has not been confirmed yet for 2022, and/or b) no-one on this board knows of it !
    I get all the relevant emails in town on schedules and nothing on the Nationals or Trials. Not even a whisper....

    BTW NCAAs ended June 12 and Trials started June 18th.

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  • gh
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  • gh
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    Originally posted by rsb3 View Post
    It seems interesting to think that either a) the date has not been confirmed yet for 2022, and/or b) no-one on this board knows of it !
    you can't announce a site/date until contracts have been signed at both ends

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  • Atticus
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  • Atticus
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    Originally posted by rsb3 View Post
    It seems interesting to think that either a) the date has not been confirmed yet for 2022, and/or b) no-one on this board knows of it !
    Seems that we've had this discussion before.

    NCAA ends June 12.
    WC begins July 15

    That leaves USATF for

    June 16-19, less than a week turn-around for collegians,
    or
    June 23-26, 3 weeks before WC. That sure seems like the way to go. Not great for the 10K or Multis, but doable.

    The latter date gives the team
    1 week to recover from the physical and mental toll of the Trials.
    1 week to do some medium training.
    1 week to re-peak.

    I thnk this will work in our favor, besides the obvious benefit of WC being on home (USA) ground and familiar turf. I like it.

    I'll be there!

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  • rsb3
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  • rsb3
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    It seems interesting to think that either a) the date has not been confirmed yet for 2022, and/or b) no-one on this board knows of it !

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