WC Eugene22 USA Marathon Team

[Atticus]

I snipped this from another thread.

Q
Speaking of Marathons, how will Team USA runners be selected for Eugene WC 22?

A
I'm guessing something similar to what they did for 2019.
https://www.usatf.org/events/2019/ia...-championships (click the link for "Marathon Athlete Selection Procedure")

The three (3) US athletes for the 2019 IAAF World Championships men’s and women’s marathons will be selected from the three (3) highest placing performances, based on marks set on IAAF-approved courses*, for the period March 7, 2018 through May 5, 2019 inclusive, who accept a position on the team, and provided that each selectee has met at least the IAAF World Championships qualifying standards of 2:16:00 for men and 2:37:00 for women.


Ok, so that would be

2:11:41 Galen RUPP Sapporo 08 AUG
2:14:29 CJ ALBERTSON Duluth 19 JUN
2:16:26 Joseph WHELAN Duluth 19 JUN

After today, it's

Rupp 2:06:35
Mickow 2:13:31
Montanez 2:13:55

Women

Bates 2:24:20
Hall, S 2:27:19
Seidel 2:27:46

[Conor Dary]

So basically Rupp.

[TN1965]

I don't know who will be running in Boston or NYC. But neither is a fast course. It's possible that some unknown can post a fast time on a flat course and get into the top three. (I don't think 2:13 will hold up there.)

[Atticus]

I don't know who will be running in Boston or NYC. But neither is a fast course. It's possible that some unknown can post a fast time on a flat course and get into the top three. (I don't think 2:13 will hold up there.)

The policy does seem conducive to a dedicated effort by someone to find a fast course and go for a 2:10-2:11 time that would hold up.

There are TWENTY USA guys who ran that fast in 2019/20.

[Juicy News]

Rupp is clearly a lock now. Sad that there is no one really outstanding after him.

[Atticus]

Rupp is clearly a lock now. Sad that's there is no one really outstanding after him.

I predict we have at least TWO more sub-2:10s pop up this fall/winter, not that a 2:08 is causing any Africans to quake in their Vapor-Flys.

[Atticus]

After today, it's

Rupp 2:06:35
Mickow 2:13:31
Montanez 2:13:55

Women

Bates 2:24:20
Hall, S 2:27:19
Seidel 2:27:46

Boston - Collin Bennie 2:11:26 and CJ Albertson 2:11:43
Rojas 2:27:12

so

Rupp 2:06:35
Collin Bennie 2:11:26
CJ Albertson 2:11:43

Bates 2:24:20
Rojas 2:27:12
Hall, S 2:27:19

It's an objective meritocracy, but no two marathons are even close to being the same.

[player]

It's an objective meritocracy, but no two marathons are even close to being the same.

My understanding is that Boston times are included in the WA rankings but the points assigned to the performances are adjusted for the elevation drop.

I would interpret the language from 2019: "highest placing performances, based on marks set on IAAF-approved* courses" to include the possibility of such adjustment.

[Atticus]

points assigned to the performances are adjusted for the elevation drop.

If the wind is from the southwest, that could really help the times!

[player]

If the wind is from the southwest, that could really help the times!

Yes, and that's why Boston, and other point-to-point courses, are not eligible for world records.

[player]

The Chicago and Boston performances have now been included in the WA rankings.

There are two levels of adjustment to the raw times. As mentioned, the Boston times are assigned reduced points because of the course elevation drop. And times from both races are adjusted by what WA calls the "placing score", which is based on how WA rates the competition level of the event and where you finish.

The net is that Colin Mickow gets a higher score for his Chicago performance than Bennie/Albertson get for their Boston performances, despite the slower raw time.

Current top three highest WA marathon performance scores in the hypothesized qualifying window by American men:

Rupp 1353
Mickow 1175
Bennie 1170

[Atticus]

The net is that Colin Mickow gets a higher score for his Chicago performance than Bennie/Albertson get for their Boston performances, despite the slower raw time.
Current top three highest WA marathon performance scores in the hypothesized qualifying window by American men:
Rupp 1353
Mickow 1175
Bennie 1170

Thanks for providing the missing piece to my puzzle!

[Conor Dary]

Other than Rupp it doesn't matter who runs...

[player]

Thanks for providing the missing piece to my puzzle!

You're welcome, and thanks for the inspiration to figure out how the ranking system works, which transcends the passing relevance of the names of the moment.

[Atticus]

Other than Rupp it doesn't matter who runs...

It sure matters to those runners, their coaches, families and friends.