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  • #16
    Yeah it would be a joke....

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Atticus View Post
      Just the Imperialistic overtones alone should make one think it's persona non grata now.
      A rebrand is needed, beyond trade deals and military ties between some of the smaller nations the “commonwealth” means very little these days. There was talk a few years ago of the CGF allowing Ireland to send a team, relaxing the rules around which nations are eligible to compete would give it new impetus, the Goodwill Games were fairly successful in the 80s with nations coming and going

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      • #18
        Some interesting comments above. Clearly the CG needs a bit of a re-think, and that seems to be happening now. Scaling it down, cost-wise,
        is a hugely significant first step. We hosted in Victoria in 1994, had a very successful Games, and actually turned a profit, including the setting
        up of a fund, the interest from which, is still helping to fund sport in our area. And a group was/is looking at bidding again, but the preliminary
        budget came in at close to a billion $$$, which is way too much for us. I don't agree that there is no value in the historical aspects of the the
        Commonwealth, and the Commonwealth Games. Just considering our sport, for instance, there is still the very real possibility of world-level
        competition at the Games. Looking at the recent Olympics, there were 13 Commonwealth nations winning at least one medal, including 15 gold
        medals, 12 silvers, and 20 bronze ! And an additional 69 places in the 4th-8th positions. And 4 of the top 10 Nations were Commonwealth
        countries ... Kenya (3rd), Jamaica (5th), Canada (8th), and Uganda (9th). And other significant players in our sport, such as Great Britain, Australia,
        New Zealand, Bahamas, South Africa, Trinidad, etc. The CG 5000 metres was mentioned earlier ... in the Tokyo men's 5000 metres, 5 of the first
        7 were Commonwealth guys. I'm just saying the athletic talent is still there, it hasn't gone away, it seems more a matter of the proper presentation
        of the event. The population of the 53 Commonwealth countries is over 2.2 billion, almost a third of the planet ! We don't need more countries...

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        • #19
          It certainly has historical value but whether it has any relevance these days is something else. An English friend who ran in 2 of them 30 years ago agreed....one major event too many...
          Last edited by Conor Dary; 10-15-2021, 01:00 AM.

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          • #20
            The Commonwealth Games might be 'one event too many' for some - particularly British athletes with an abundance of international matches and meets to compete in. But for those, such as Aussies and Kiwis, over the years, it has been a great stepping stone to develop athletes and teams to Olympic level.

            And yes - as some have mentioned - the Oceanian Championships is a lesser meet than the Australian National Championships in terms of depth and competition.

            The 'Friendly Games' still has popularity and relevance to Commonwealth nations, and can promote traditional 'Commonwealth sports' such as netball, cricket, rugby etc so what American track fans think of it isn't of much relevance really.

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            • #21
              Keep to the minimum....netball, track, swimming...and switch back and forth between Australia and Britain using the same facilities.

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              • #22
                Netball is a fine sport.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bad hammy View Post
                  Without them we wouldn't have, amongst other things, my all-time favorite four-lapper, the 1974 Christchurch showdown with Bayi, Walker, Jipcho & Dixon. That was the first time I'd paid attention to the CWG in realtime (they didn't break through the MLB/NFL/NCAA focus of my previous life). Very inspiring to this then-16-year-old front-running-loving miler . . .

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3BhcZZYTQQ
                  Totally agree ... but not that much else, let's face it. When it was still called the Empire Games, there was the great Bannister/Landy showdown in 1954.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Trickstat View Post

                    With all due respect to Papua New Guinea, Fiji, Samoa et al, the Oceania Area Champs would effectively be a dual meet with a few guests thrown in.

                    I was told about 25 few years ago that, at the Oceania Under 20 Champs, Australia fielded a team made up only of athletes from outside of its big 5 coastal cities while New Zealand's excluded anyone who'd already represented the country.
                    Oceania nations produce fine athletes, just not frequently in field and track due to the tiny populations. AUS+NZL =75% of Oceania population. Add in PNG and that's about 40 out of 42 million, not that many of PNG population is involved in sport.

                    By contrast, sports where hard work makes a bigger difference such as weightlifing, boxing, bowls etc, produce more regular results, so are another matter at CWG.

                    As you say, until recently, Australia was not a participant in Oceania champs, and when it started, teams were limited not just to regional/country athletes but those from the northern half of Australia and/or U-20 or U-23. Actual rules changed over time.

                    Now, it is completely different since IAAF changed qualifying procedures that enhanced the value of results at continental championships. It's still not a full Australian team attending, just those who know that they won't get a Q performance and need to rely on bonus points from Oceania champs.

                    You might get a few Q athletes who use it as a pre-departure meet if the timing is convenient but no Aus athlete is as prideful of a gold medal as a Euro athlete is of a Euro gold. But like CWG is for AUS, CAN and NZL, so is Oceania champs for Pacific nations, which is their true value.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                      Netball is a fine sport.
                      Curiously, it's possibly a result of a misunderstanding of the early Naismith basketball rules.

                      A PE teacher sourced a rulebook that included a description of a zonal approach to optimal use of players (offence-midfield-defence) but she thought that meant certain players were limited soley to those zones.

                      This "staying in your zone" approach was codified in the rules and continues in the modern game. While bouncing/dribbling was allowed intially it never took off in the UK, possibly because restrictive Victorian era dress made it difficult, and it eventually died away, leaving a passing only game and no travelling with the ball.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by berkeley View Post

                        Totally agree ... but not that much else, let's face it. When it was still called the Empire Games, there was the great Bannister/Landy showdown in 1954.
                        That is a totally incredible, and really uninformed perspective ! Which you are totally entitled to

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                        • #27
                          It's time to put and end to the CWG. The interest level from fans and athletes isn't what it used to be (look at how many top athletes skip it), and these days we don't need a grandiose celebration of colonization.

                          If the GWG must go on, it should be always held in the UK.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 18.99s View Post
                            It's time to put and end to the CWG. The interest level from fans and athletes isn't what it used to be (look at how many top athletes skip it)
                            How many of the world's top netball or rugby 7's players, even swimmers, skip it? It's not just a track and field event.

                            Originally posted by 18.99s View Post
                            these days we don't need a grandiose celebration of colonization.
                            Is there really anyone in the world who watches it and thinks it's a grandiose celebration of colonisation? lmao

                            There are even new members of the Commonwealth who were never colonised by Britain (eg Mozambique) who have joined in recent years.

                            Originally posted by 18.99s View Post
                            If the GWG must go on, it should be always held in the UK.
                            Why? Surely that would represent some kind of British 'control' rather than an association of nations around the world with shared values.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
                              Why? Surely that would represent some kind of British 'control' rather than an association of nations around the world with shared values.
                              It would represent them footing the bill for the sake of the member nations, as opposed to their history of extracting wealth from said nations.

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                              • #30
                                So much nonsense on this thread, especially from those from That Country that thinks, "if we're not in it, it doesn't count", or something
                                like that. We all agree that there needs to be some adjustments to the CG, we only seem to disagree on whether it's worth trying to make
                                those adjustments, or just cancel the whole thing. Count me in the former category, I still firmly believe that those years, where there is no
                                World Championships, or Olympic Games, i.e. /2026/2030, etc., the CG can be a great Track Meet, if scheduled and presented properly.
                                And, I believe that, with the various ways and means under consideration, to make the Games more affordable, there will be a large number
                                of countries/cities in the Commonwealth interested in hosting, and presenting our sport and a few others to their country and the World ! We'll
                                see how that works out ....

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