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  • #61
    Originally posted by gh View Post
    I remember Heather Tolford....she is talking about when Tom Heinonen was women's coach...I've heard what she was implying about before.
    Last edited by Conor Dary; 10-27-2021, 12:10 AM.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by gh View Post
      Good...also her format is much better.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by booond View Post

        What can go wrong with a twitter thread?
        It's a good thread.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by gh View Post
          Not sure anyone could say it any better.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post

            It's a good thread.
            For Twitter, maybe, as 1/3rd have knowledge or experience and 2/3rds are fools.

            It's a good article and an important subject.

            Tianna's blog post was very good.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
              So were the old-time decision makers on to something when they wanted to keep women's distances shorter?
              Should Teddy Roosevelt have banned football?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
                Should Teddy Roosevelt have banned football?
                Were women playing then??

                I know what your point is, and mine is this: with so much at stake - jobs, scholarships, medals, sponsorships, money, fame - this will never end. Women will push the extremes of their bodies with or without coaches.
                You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post

                  Were women playing then??

                  I know what your point is, and mine is this: with so much at stake - jobs, scholarships, medals, sponsorships, money, fame - this will never end. Women will push the extremes of their bodies with or without coaches.
                  So what? It is their body and their opportunity. They shouldn't have to be shamed into it by a coach who wants them to do something unhealthy so he can get another point-placer in the 10K.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by booond View Post

                    So what? It is their body and their opportunity. They shouldn't have to be shamed into it by a coach who wants them to do something unhealthy so he can get another point-placer in the 10K.
                    If a mediocre (by elite standard) distance runner wants to squeeze every ounce of her talent to make the top 8 at NCAA, that's her choice. No one should force her to do that.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
                      Should Teddy Roosevelt have banned football?
                      In 1905 or so there were about 20 deaths in high school and college football....

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
                        If a mediocre (by elite standard) distance runner wants to squeeze every ounce of her talent to make the top 8 at NCAA, that's her choice. No one should force her to do that.
                        I believe that was what I said.

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                        • #72
                          That is certainly true, Scott, but that is not what the original intent of the thread was about. The act of shaming comes from someone other than the athlete casting negative attention and influence on another person. It is not the act of tracking an athlete's progress, but pressing for them to attain body conditions that are inherently unhealthy. Body shaming is simply a form of bullying, and when it takes place in the workplace (which, arguably, a college or professional team should be considered) it is almost always comes from someone with a degree of power/influence over another. I have sat through enough DoD annual training classes to recognize that as a hostile work environment.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
                            If a mediocre (by elite standard) distance runner wants to squeeze every ounce of her talent to make the top 8 at NCAA, that's her choice. No one should force her to do that.
                            If an athlete gets a big scholarship at a school like Oregon, there's an understanding going in that they're there to score points at the PAC 12 and NCAA Championships, not just to participate.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post
                              I do think there is a grown up conversation to be had. It may just be the fact that, if a woman wants to be the absolute best she can, then that means a certain fat % that is not necessarily 'healthy' in one sense, but optimal for her performance.
                              The key to it is that what is optimal for one woman can be performance-degrading and/or dangerous for another. 12% bodyfat may be optimal for one woman but it causes menstrual problems and stress fractures in another. Different hormone profiles, different genes, different bone structures etc. make it unwise to pressure one group of women to meet fixed body composition standards based on what is measured or perceived in other women (pretty sure the U of Oregon coaches don't know the DEXA stats of elite women who never attended Oregon).

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

                                If an athlete gets a big scholarship at a school like Oregon, there's an understanding going in that they're there to score points at the PAC 12 and NCAA Championships, not just to participate.
                                That's one thing I'm struggling with here. A lot of aspects of being an elite athlete are unhealthy. Does anyone think Nick Saban and Kirby Smart don't encourage their linemen to gain weight from time to time? When you sign on to run for Oregon, you know there are high expectations. If you can't meet those expectations without abusing your body, maybe you should consider another school. There are plenty of college programs that don't do things like this, go there.

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