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  • #16
    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Salazar isn't a scandal? It was in the New York Times.....

    Coleman, Houlihan....

    Anyways he says our sport....of course so few pay attention maybe that is what he means. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it ...did it make any sound.
    OMG, Salazar was in the NY Times. TnF in the is doomed. Give me a break. In fact give all of us a break.

    Salazar is a low life who has deservedly been taken down. But that doesn't infect the whole of the sport as you mindlessly claim.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
      As for sexual assaults .... one of many....

      Larry Nassar's Victims Included Michigan State Track Athletes

      Several former Michigan State track and cross country athletes spoke out on abuse they suffered at the hands of disgraced MSU doctor Larry Nassar



      https://www.flotrack.org/articles/61...track-athletes
      This is not a TnF scandal. It is of course terrible that for so long Nassar was allowed to get away with the abuse. However, USTAF, to my knowledge, did not cover up and protect Nassar.

      MSU did. US Gymnastics did. That was scandalous.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
        It's like saying the bombing of Dresden wasn't bad....Hiroshima was a lot worse.
        You really do have a serious problem if you really believe in this analogy.

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        • #19
          back on topic, plz

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          • #20
            I’d also remind you Conor, that in 1989, after the Ben Johnson scandal, USATF was the first entity in the entire world to create an out-of-competition drug testing program - and it did so with the leadership of athletes such as Edwin Moses. Compare that with our major pro team sports and other federations. Our sport in the USA may not be perfect, but it has tried more than others to address problems.

            I have it on very good authority that Mr Koch meant Our sport in the USA. :-) You have made your point. Now can we focus on the issue at hand?

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            • #21
              Good news at the USATF Annual Meeting. At the closing session, the delegates rejected the three USOPC items (including disenfranchising the members) by 2 to 1 margins. The margins were bigger than last year.

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              • #22
                Hey, what do you mean by unclear ?

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                Last edited by burbigo3; 01-16-2022, 02:38 PM.

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                • #23
                  https://www.thesportsexaminer.com/la...nnual-meeting/

                  The USOPC is left with a clear defeat from a major National Governing Body, whose members will not be deterred from the governance of their sport. From its first days as an independent body then known as The Athletics Congress in 1979, the sport of track & field has had an involved, restless and sometimes insurgent membership and that has not changed.

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                  • #24
                    There's an interesting bit of delusion in that Perelman article,

                    The membership of USA Track & Field – in the sport which has won more Olympic medals for the U.S. than any other – isn’t buying it.
                    Implying that the USATF has anything to do with the success of the sport.

                    The reason the USA has success is the very effective development pipeline of the education system which nurtures athlete through to international standard for its own purposes and without any reliance on USATF. If you closed that down overnight, we'd see the true value of USATF after 5 years and it certainly wouldn't be 26 medals.

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                    • #25
                      I think you're reading something into that that isn't there.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by El Toro View Post
                        There's an interesting bit of delusion in that Perelman article,



                        Implying that the USATF has anything to do with the success of the sport.

                        The reason the USA has success is the very effective development pipeline of the education system which nurtures athlete through to international standard for its own purposes and without any reliance on USATF. If you closed that down overnight, we'd see the true value of USATF after 5 years and it certainly wouldn't be 26 medals.
                        You ignore:

                        1. That the USATF Junior Olympic program identifies athletes with track & field talent that would otherwise be lost to other sports by the time they reach high school - other sports increasingly try to monopolize youth athletes;
                        2. USATF provides the certified officials needed for all collegiate competition and in many states, high school competition as well; and
                        3. USATF provides a Coaches Ed program that trains coaches, particularly at the high school level.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by gm View Post
                          I think you're reading something into that that isn't there.
                          There's a clear implication that messing with USATF is messing with success.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

                            You ignore:

                            1. That the USATF Junior Olympic program identifies athletes with track & field talent that would otherwise be lost to other sports by the time they reach high school - other sports increasingly try to monopolize youth athletes;
                            2. USATF provides the certified officials needed for all collegiate competition and in many states, high school competition as well; and
                            3. USATF provides a Coaches Ed program that trains coaches, particularly at the high school level.
                            I didn't ignore anything but you seem to be ignoring the original premise that the education system, college in particular, is critical to producing the volume and quality of athletes that USATF counts in its performance stats.

                            Sit down and imagine you keep doing all those things while the college sector closes down their programs, sacks their paid coaches and rips up their tracks. You've just lost all the support in the critical 18-23 age group. Are the activities of USATF by itself capable of producing the athletes that are currently handed to it on a plate?

                            I'm sure there are examples of former great programs that have closed down and resulted in geographical areas that don't produce good athletes anymore. Just apply those examples to the whole country.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by El Toro View Post

                              There's a clear implication that messing with USATF is messing with success.
                              Read it again three or four more times, keeping in mind that "the membership of USA Track & Field" covers not only every elite athlete, coach and volunteer, but also pretty much anyone who is associated with the sport at the elite level or national championship level.

                              I am confident that Rich P. knows exactly who and what is responsible for the U.S. medal count over the years.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by El Toro View Post

                                I didn't ignore anything but you seem to be ignoring the original premise that the education system, college in particular, is critical to producing the volume and quality of athletes that USATF counts in its performance stats.

                                Sit down and imagine you keep doing all those things while the college sector closes down their programs, sacks their paid coaches and rips up their tracks. You've just lost all the support in the critical 18-23 age group. Are the activities of USATF by itself capable of producing the athletes that are currently handed to it on a plate?

                                I'm sure there are examples of former great programs that have closed down and resulted in geographical areas that don't produce good athletes anymore. Just apply those examples to the whole country.
                                I certainly recognize the critical importance of tge college and high school programs. One concern of all of us is some colleges dropping their track & field programs.

                                I view it a bit like a relay team. The high schools and colleges have the middle two legs.

                                One plus is that the NCAA and NFHS (which were often at odds with the AAU before 1980) are members of USATF and work together. It does not hurt that the NCAA and USATF are both based in Indianapolis.
                                Last edited by Halfmiler2; 12-13-2021, 07:12 PM.

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