Lagat-holy shit!

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>This might sound naive...I know how EPO works as
>far as the physiology of it, but how much time do
>you think an athlete could take off of his mile
>time just by doping.

For elites, probably 4 to 8 seconds, depending on how they respond to the drug. It has dramatic effects in the longer races. Look up Repoxygen on Google. You'll faint. They can't test for it. Probably not for awhile. They'll be snarfing that down before Athens.

[vaulter83]

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EPO? I'd think they would be smart enough to stop using a drug they have a test for now. I figured everybody would be using the new drugs that are better then EPO and which can't be tested for yet.

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What type of message are up and coming young athletes (like me) getting from all this? That you can't win unless your juiced? You wonder if you could put 21m or run 1:44 without some sort of drug in your system. It almost makes you lose motivation and that sucks!! Oh well cross Lagat off the list of athletes you like, along with white, lewis, young, barnes, hell are there any left?

[miler manque]

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Is there a positive to this? If they caught Lagat (and Chepchumba before him), can we presume the other Kenyans are clean? Or just less careless (or maybe they weren't tested at the same time)?

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This might sound naive...I know how EPO works as far as the physiology of it, but how much time do you think an athlete could take off of his mile time just by doping.

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Lagat is not our concern.

Yes he is. Doped up runners have left many athletes in the West in a state of resignation, and potential stars disinterested, or in the position of having never given the sport a try, as they don't have the make up of genetic marvels like Lagat or Chepchumba : ).

"Doctors have spent millions trying to figure out why I run fast." No, it wasn't millions.

Yes, there's more fast out there ... hahahahahaa.

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>> You mean only the people who actually face
>YEAR
> ROUND spot tests.

Yep, them -- like
>CJ Hunter, Jerome Young, Carl Lewis...

Heheehe. Jerome Young, tests positive, COMPETES IN SYDNEY AND NOW IN PARIS. Carl tests positive, AND YOU KNOW THE STORY. CJ isn't a sprinter, dude.

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Well, of course the American distance runners are clean. Just Look at their performances.

Still, lets not concentrate on drug accusations of various athletes. US distance running has many problems that need our attention now!

I could care less if Lagat is taking drugs. What I care about is that there were only a hand-full of American distance runners in the finals this past world championships.

When is the US going to start producing solid 3:50 milers and 13:10 5000 meter runners again.

Lagat is not our concern.

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> You mean only the people who actually face YEAR
> ROUND spot tests.

Yep, them -- like CJ Hunter, Jerome Young, Carl Lewis...

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One thing..it`s not about fan enjoyment, it`s about an athlete trying to earn a living and trying to gain an edge.I would be just as happy to watch a good 100m race run in 10.16 as I would seeing it run in 9.80...I have had one of my former runners test positive ( leaving me as a college coach and going on to train with a club Coach) and believe me, it was not for fan enjoyment...it was about making a living on the tour and keeping up with the other sprinters..and don`t be so naive as to think that it`s not happening on a wide scale ..it is and that`s one of the reasons I`ve left the sport on that level. It`s a shame but it`s a choice made by an adult who wants to earn a living . Sorry to sound so callous ..but its what I`ve seen as a coach..I`ll say no more on the subject..accept it for what it is.

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>> Are any of them clean?

Only the Americans.

You mean only the people who actually face YEAR ROUND spot tests.

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> Are any of them clean?

Only the Americans.

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Oh God, this is terrible news...He was one of my favorites too. Are any of them clean?

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tafnut, I know that you are right, but I was purposely speaking with my emotions instead of my brain to illustrate the height of my frustration and unhappiness about "The Whole Drug Deal."

[tafnut]

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Imagine what would happen if we repealed all drug rules (just in track!). Imagine the toll in human lives. Just for our fan enjoyment?