"Road to Oregon"

[gm]

At the World/Olympic level, if you don't meet the qualifying standard (Q mark) you are unlikely to figure in the medals.

[Atticus]

At the World/Olympic level, if you don't meet the qualifying standard (Q mark) you are unlikely to figure in the medals.

I'll guess there have been 800 runners who were very competitive, but didn't run super-elite times, that have medaled.

[gm]

I'll guess there have been 800 runners who were very competitive, but didn't run super-elite times, that have medaled.

Restricting it to "modern" championships, can you name anyone since, say, 2007 who didn't meet the qualifying mark for the Worlds and then medaled in the 800?

[Atticus]

Restricting it to "modern" championships, can you name anyone since, say, 2007 who didn't meet the qualifying mark for the Worlds and then medaled in the 800?

To invoke the Burden-of-Proof Fallacy - YOU are the stat guy, you name one!

edit - Oh, I see what you did there. Alfred Yego medaled in 2007 with a SB of 1:45.9 going in.

[donley2]

I am not even sure why this conversation is about having decent medal chances. Getting into a World Championships is a big deal and almost certainly can help with future championships having been to a big one before.

[gm]

To invoke the Burden-of-Proof Fallacy - YOU are the stat guy, you name one!

edit - Oh, I see what you did there. Alfred Yego medaled in 2007 with a SB of 1:45.9 going in.

But his Q was a 1:43.86 from late 2006.

donley2 -- my point is that the World Championships (and Olympics) aren't developmental meets as such.

[Atticus]

A. But his Q was a 1:43.86 from late 2006.
B. my point is that the World Championships (and Olympics) aren't developmental meets as such.

A. I still think there have been medalists that did not meet the "A-Std'.
B. Donley's point remains - having been to the Big Show before helps immensely when they're old enough to do well.

[gm]

A. I still think there have been medalists that did not meet the "A-Std'.
B. Donley's point remains - having been to the Big Show before helps immensely when they're old enough to do well.

Alrighty then.

[Wiederganger]

Going by my 200m example and the 2021 lists, there were something like 6 women that made the SF in the 200m that did not run 22.8 that year (and another 4 that had just snuck under and run in the 22.7's). In 2019, there were 9 women in the SFs that hadn't run 22.8 that year (and again, a handful only just in the 22.7's). That's 9 women of the 24 SFinalists (37.5 %) that would, this season, by quaifed by ranking points and positions. That is a significant number.

I would say reaching the Olympic SF is a great achievement, personally.

[GHM]

Hi gh!
I did not want to start a new topic but your first page story line says "A 2:29:12 saw Keira D’Amata destroy Deena Kastor’s AR by 24 seconds." Please correct.
Here is an article in NY Times, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/s...on-record.html, Keira D’Amato and Sara Hall Rewrite the Distance Running History Books

May I say it again that these great records are mostly due to new shoes technology as well as great athletes Mrs. Hall and D'Amato? Analysis of top ten men and women finisher does not indicate shoe technology had a big part in these record thouh.

Indoor 2022
All women records in 1000, 2000, 3000, 2M, 5000 will be broken IMO.

Summer 2022 outdoor:
men 1500m: 3:25 and mile 3:42 (less chance)
men 10,000m 25:59!
women 3000m:7:59
women 5000m: 13:59

GHM

[Atticus]

I did not want to start a new topic but your first page story line says "A 2:29:12 saw Keira D’Amata destroy Deena Kastor’s AR by 24 seconds." Please correct.

Kastor ran 2:19:36 and D'Amaato ran 2:19.12. My IBM Watson super-computer calculates that as a 24-second improvement.
The verb one wishes to employ in announcing that new record is subjective, and therefore needs not be 'corrected'.
The shoes are here to say, and I have made my peace with them.

[Davidokun]

Kastor ran 2:19:36 and D'Amaato ran 2:19.12. My IBM Watson super-computer calculates that as a 24-second improvement.
The verb one wishes to employ in announcing that new record is subjective, and therefore needs not be 'corrected'.
The shoes are here to say, and I have made my peace with them.

The error was that photo caption reported 2:29:12, instead of 2:19:12. It has since been corrected.

[Atticus]

The error was that photo caption reported 2:29:12, instead of 2:19:12. It has since been corrected.

Ha! Missed the obvious!

[SoCal45]

World Swimming Championships, scheduled for this year, have been pushed back 1 year. Any chance this will happen to Eugene '22?

[gh]

World Swimming Championships, scheduled for this year, have been pushed back 1 year. Any chance this will happen to Eugene '22?

only if Japanese travel restrictions (the reason for the FINA hold) are enforced