"Road to Oregon"

[donley2]

Anyone bored and want to check the "Road to Oregon" lists against actual Oregon22 entries to see how deep they went down some of the lists to get close to the target entries? I looked at the men's High Jump and they went down to 38 Rivera to get a field of 29.

[MJR]

Word from Aretha at USATF is that the lists will not be updated anymore. Athletes will be notified directly of acceptance (most have this already) and team announcements will clarify who is in or out.

[donley2]

Anyone actually following these lists close enough to tell if anything has changed today versus yesterday.

[Atticus]

If WA follows there printed rules it is too late to decline per verbiage from post 59 in this thread.

Oooh, so we will probably have fields below N!

[donley2]

C. Some nations may decline spots, so WA may continue down the list to fill the fields to N. That means that people on the bubble (Grey?) may indeed make the team - or is will it be too late if the USA has already named its 3?

If WA follows there printed rules it is too late to decline per verbiage from post 59 in this thread.

[Atticus]

Ok, here's where I am now . . . . . .

A. There's a set number (N) of entries per event.
B. Using the order of finish at the USATF Championships, USATF will choose you if you're in the top N in today's (6/29) WA list on the 'Road to Oregon' page.

but . . .
C. Some nations may decline spots, so WA may continue down the list to fill the fields to N. That means that people on the bubble (Grey?) may indeed make the team - or is will it be too late if the USA has already named its 3?

[trackstatfan]

From today's WA article:
"The Road to Oregon tool on the World Athletics website shows which athletes – subject to being officially selected by their member federation – have qualified to compete at the World Championships, either by entry standard or world ranking position within a discipline’s quota."

So, if one interprets that very strictly, only those in today's 'final' WA Road to Oregon list are qualified, based on each event's entry number (e.g. USATF can't move in McPherson in last year's example).

Also, note... An hour ago, we could see both big-Q's and little-q's (those by ranking)... it looks like they are going through another update as it only list those by entry standard at this moment.

Update: looks like it refreshed.

[gh]

I nominate Australia's Julian Konle as the world's greatest athlete. I mean, she/he is at the top of the page of every page, men and women!

[Atticus]

Also I think atticus is missing the fact that the "Road to Oregon" list already accounts for the 3 per country limit.

I did not miss that. It's obvious when they don't give a rank order number to any American past the third, as noted in the "between 34 and 35" for Grey.
I would have hoped USATF could foresee the deadline problem and decline spots that would not be in play. I do admit, however, even that is problematic, because they don't know what other countries are doing in that regard and we don't want a decline a spot we may need the next day. There should be a small window AFTER the initial deadline, where countries may change their minds after they see where the dust settles (not that some nation may try to game that).

The current protocol is still a hot mess and needs further 'simplification'.

[donley2]

Which, if the selection process is the same as last year, is why McPherson did not get selected last year... as she was outside the top-32 on the final listing, even though she had a higher order of finish relative to Butts-Townsend (who was in the top-32 final listing).

If that's the case, USATF goes with McCarter-Williams-Dendy, and can't try and move up Grey (as in McPherson wHJ last year)?

Yes. Also I think atticus is missing the fact that the "Road to Oregon" list already accounts for the 3 per country limit.

[trackstatfan]

All that to say I think it is too late to decline spots.

Which, if the selection process is the same as last year, is why McPherson did not get selected last year... as she was outside the top-32 on the final listing, even though she had a higher order of finish relative to Butts-Townsend (who was in the top-32 final listing).

If that's the case, USATF goes with McCarter-Williams-Dendy, and can't try and move up Grey (as in McPherson wHJ last year)?

[donley2]

so, using the mLJ as an example, the finishing order at USATF was thus:

1. Grey - 37th - between 34 and 35, but THREE Americans ahead of him that placed lower that will not qualify (35-3 = 32)
2. McCarter - 18th - in
3. J Davis - between 35 and 36, but FOUR Americans above him that finished LOWER than him (36-4 = 32) ????
4. W Williams - between 28 and 29 - in
...
10. Dendy - 7th - in?

If USATF declares only Grey, McCarter, Davis, clearing out the other, higher, Americans, does that mean they are in the top 32 and in?

My reading of the team manual (page 39) says
the declined quota places—Member Federations must inform World Athletics of their intention to decline a quota place by the closing date of the qualification period (29 May 2022 for Marathon and 35km Race Walk and 26 June 2022 for the all the other events). Such notification must be sent to [email protected] worldathletics.org by the Member Federation concerned by no later than midnight Monaco time. Quota places declined after the above deadline will NOT be reallocated.

https://www.atletika.cz/_sys_/FileStorage/download/19/18153/team-manual-world-athletics-championships-o.pdf

That is not the official spot, but I still think it is the official document.

All that to say I think it is too late to decline spots.

[Atticus]

The qualifying lists appear to be updated. Whether they are final, I have no idea.

so, using the mLJ as an example, the finishing order at USATF was thus:

1. Grey - between 34 and 35, but several Americans ahead of him that placed lower
2. McCarter - 18th - in
3. J Davis - between 35 and 36, but several Americans ahead of him that placed lower
4. W Williams - between 28 and 29 - in
...
10. Dendy - 7th - in?

If USATF declares only Grey, McCarter, Davis, clearing out the other, higher, Americans, leaving them in top 32, does that mean they are in? I hope that's how it is, but I fear not.

[donley2]

The qualifying lists appear to be updated. Whether they are final, I have no idea.

[dupontred]

Just noticed that there are very few morning/early afternoon sessions outside of the weekends. Most end up late afternoon, evening in the East Coast (sucks for European viewers) but great for me since I won't miss much of anything while at work during the day. I was getting ready to talk to my boss about time off, but looks like I won't even need to!