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  • Alan
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    My basic point is that running a 5/10 double is a very draining task. Nurmi, Zatopek (with the marathon too), Viren (twice), Yifter (and maybe others that I'm missing) have been able to pull off the 5/10 double gold, going against the leading competition of their respective eras. Geb has not...

    (Various Olympic boycotts have weakened the fields in some years, I will acknowledge, but my main point is about having the resiliency to win the 5 and 10 in the same games.)

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  • dl
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    I know that it is difficult/impossible to compare athletes from different eras, but as Sieg Lindstrom and I discussed in Paris, there is no doubt in our minds that if Geb simply ran an easy 4 miles a day, he still could've easily beaten Nurmi and Zatopek back in their day. Comparing Nurmi or Zatopek to Geb? Forget it. Geb is in a whole different class.

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  • miler manque
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    Much thanks for posting these results, and the 1500 results on the other thread.

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  • DentyCracker
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    1 Gebrselassie Haile ETH 26:29.22
    2 Kemboi Nicholas KEN 26:30.03
    3 Hassan Abdullah Ahmad QAT 26:38.76
    4 Limo Richard KEN 26:56.63
    5 Yuda John TAN 27:09.83
    6 Kipketer Sammy KEN 27:13.42
    7 Mosop Moses KEN 27:13.66
    8 Berhanu Dejene ETH 27:14.61
    9 Kiprop Boniface UGA 27:15.88
    10 Korir John Cheruiyot KEN 27:17.24
    11 Kosgei Paul KEN 27:21.56
    12 Munyi Simon Maina KEN 27:22.29
    13 Kamathi Charles KEN 27:29.47
    14 Joseph Fabian TAN 27:32.63
    15 Kennedy Bob USA 27:51.06
    16 Talel Wilberforce KEN 27:54.44
    17 Iwasa Toshihiro JPN 28:58.08
    Afringi Ali Abdallah ERI DNF
    Geemi Richard KEN DNF
    Keino Martin KEN DNF
    Keska Karl GBR DNF
    Korir Shadrack KEN DNF
    Kosgei Joseph KEN DNF
    Mekonnen Hailu ETH DNF
    Mucheru Leonard KEN DNF
    Vega Teodoro MEX DNS

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    Re: a WR for Geb?

    We're now about an hour and a half from the start of the race. (12:35 left-coast time)

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    Re: a WR for Geb?

    Not that the prognosticator supreme dl needs defending, but I think his statement that Geb could retire as the greatest ever is well within reason. To compare his accomplishments to Nurmi is OK, but let's look at where the sport was versus where it is today. The sport now is truly inernational, and Africans have proved the true leaders at distance events. How many Africans did Nurmi or Zatopek face? It would be akin to the US not competing in the sprints in the 20's -60's - the best were not there.

    Geb has faced one of the top runners of all-time (Tergat) and found ways to beat him consistantly, plus beating all others as well. His string of championships in Olymypics and WC over the past decade is truly amazing when you consider who he has faced (and beaten).

    Forget his times (they will all be beaten eventually), but look at his range - amazing 3:32, 12:39, 26:22, and 2:05 - no athlete has shown this range to my knowledge.

    Finally, if greatness can be measured not only by performances but also by class (and indeed in the end it usually is), then Geb's place in history is assured.

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    <<"He [Geb] could retire right now as the greatest distance runner of all time..."

    I vigorously dispute this, given his failure to pull off a 5/10 double at an Olympics or WC.

    If one wants to call Geb the greatest 10,000 runner of all-time, I have no problem with that, but I draw the line at overall distance running.>>

    I think Alan is right. Paavo Nurmi is almost untouchable in the overall distance department. Geb would have to win World/Olympic medals right up to (and including) 2008 to be ranked ahead of Nurmi (or maybe even Emil Zatopek); and I don't think is likely to happen. Once more, Nurmi won medals in both the 5K and 10K in multiple Olympics (I believe, 1924/28). Geb has yet to run in both races in a single Olympics.

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    Over The Hill wrote:

    >I see TFN has a poll on the front page now about
    >whether or not Geb will be sucessfull in his
    >record attempt in Brusells on Friday. I quickly
    >registerd a no-vote.

    How about the rest of
    >you?

    3 guesses who Over The Hill is and the last 2 don't count.

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  • Alan
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    "He [Geb] could retire right now as the greatest distance runner of all time..."

    I vigorously dispute this, given his failure to pull off a 5/10 double at an Olympics or WC.

    If one wants to call Geb the greatest 10,000 runner of all-time, I have no problem with that, but I draw the line at overall distance running.

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    IF THE WEATHER IS RIGHT FOR FAST RUNNING,THE
    RECORD IS AS GOOD AS GONE.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    ">I went ahead a voted yes just to keep
    >it interesting.>>

    You know that's the kind of attitude that got us Shrub in the first place."

    Thanks for your political views, we appreciate it. Try to stay on the subject if possible. Thanks.

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  • dl
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    Bekele isn't running.

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    Re: a WR for Geb?

    I don't think so. Despite proving he still has the speed (13:52+12:58 in the 10K final), Geb's lost more races in the last 2 years than he has lost in the 8 beforehand. 26:22 is a long way from 26:50 these days. I hope Kenenisa Bekele is in the race. HE could probably break that world record, if Geb falls off the pace.

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    I think no, as 26:22 is a real solid world record. Two back to back 13:11 5Ks - think back to the second half of the 10K race in Paris, and see the effect a 12:57 5K had on Kenenisa Bekele in the 5K final a few days later.

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  • dl
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    I voted no, but you gotta give Geb credit. Remember, the record already belongs to him. He could retire right now as the greatest distance runner of all time, but no, he loves running so much he wants to give it another shot.

    I had dinner Saturday night with 3 people from Geb's management group. They feel he has a good shot at it and that he wouldn't be attempting the record if he didn't feel he were ready.

    One big question is whether someone can take him through 5K in 13:10. Wish I were in Brussels to see it!

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