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  • #61
    Originally posted by ATK View Post
    This cant be a serious comment right?
    Perfectly serious, hun. This year, before the Worlds, Sydney did 3 meetings - in fact, between Tokyo and Eugene she did just those 3 meetings:
    • one race in April (Philadelphia, 5hr flight) and
    • one race in June (Nashville 4hr flight) then
    • the Nationals (Oregon, 2hr flight).
    She then competed at the Worlds, after which she did just once race, in Hungary a 13hrs connecting flight (after that you'd think she'd make the most of competing in Europe..)

    Compare that to Bol, who pre Worlds did:
    • Metz (1hr) & Torun (4hr) in Feb (and a Dutch meet)
    • Serbia (2hr 20mins) in March
    • Ostrava (4hrs 30mins connecting flight) in May
    • Rome (2hrs 15) Oslo (1hr 45) Stockholm (2hrs) Apeldorn (40mins train) in June
    Then Worlds, after which she did:
    • Chorzow (4 hr connecting) Munich (1hr 30) Lausanne (1hr 30 to Geneva, then 1hr drive in car) in August
    • Zurich (1hr 25) in September.

    Total hours spent in the air in 2021 is roughly the same. But I would wager Bol's programme was much more demanding, with more total time spent in airports, more disruption to training, and more tiring in general. McLaughlin ran in 3 meets in the first 6 months of the year (and as I said, between Tokyo and Eugene - a 10 month period - she only did those 3 meets....) Bol did 8 meets in the first 6 months of this year (plus the 4 meets she did after Tokyo in 2021)

    So no, you cannot tell me that their competition programmes are of equal weight.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post

      Perfectly serious, hun.
      ....

      So no, you cannot tell me that their competition programmes are of equal weight.
      Who mentioned anything about comparing programs? Your moving the goal post to fit your narrative. Everyone on this board knows McLaughlin barely competed the past 2 years. You simply compared the idea of the USA being one country to Europe being an entire continent, which, as others have noted, makes no sense as the United States is basically the size of, if not bigger than Europe. Traveling across the USA takes much more time than traveling from one country to the next in Europe.

      With the hopes of keeping this topic open...enjoy

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      • #63
        No one can accuse McLaughlin of racing too much, that's for sure.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post
          This year, before the Worlds, Sydney did 3 meetings - in fact, between Tokyo and Eugene she did just those 3 meetings:
          one race in April (Philadelphia, 5hr flight) and
          one race in June (Nashville 4hr flight) then
          the Nationals (Oregon, 2hr flight).
          She then competed at the Worlds, after which she did just once race, in Hungary a 13hrs connecting flight (after that you'd think she'd make the most of competing in Europe..)
          Won them all . . . easily.
          As long as this trend continues - no need for other comps - case closed.


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          • #65
            Given the rate at which she has been breaking WRs, I think she has her training program geared up just right.

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            • #66
              One could even make the argument that the whole idea of a "complete" season is arbitrary, that Bol over-competed and therefore underperformed when it counted most, and that SML ran a complete season and achieved exactly the results she was working toward, outperforming Bol (and all other competitors) every time she stepped on the track, whether Bol was present or not.

              If SML continues to run just a few meets every year for the next five years, but crushes everyone in sight in every race, what are you going to say? "Oh, no! That's not how you do track and field!" One could argue that SML is showing the naysayers exactly how the sport is supposed to be executed. She got into incredible shape, qualified for her national team, waltzed into the biggest meet of the year with everyone at their peak, strolled to the finish line miles in front of everyone else, and went home. You may not like it, it may not be "good" for the sport. Oh, well.

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              • #67
                Hypothetical quote from SML: "Bol is an amazing talent and competitor. Who knows, if she had chosen to structure her season differently, working on her strength and overcoming some of her weaknesses, and competing less, she might have beaten me at the WCs. But she chose to follow the standard competitive season, so...there you go."

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Steele View Post
                  One could even make the argument that the whole idea of a "complete" season is arbitrary, that Bol over-competed and therefore underperformed when it counted most, and that SML ran a complete season and achieved exactly the results she was working toward, outperforming Bol (and all other competitors) every time she stepped on the track, whether Bol was present or not.
                  Bol didn't underperform when it counted most. She finished as high as she could have possibly finished. She might have lost by 1 second instead of 1.6 but would have still finished second.

                  She won every other race in her primary event by big margins and even won the Euro title in her secondary event.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
                    Bol didn't underperform when it counted most. She finished as high as she could have possibly finished. She might have lost by 1 second instead of 1.6 but would have still finished second.

                    She won every other race in her primary event by big margins and even won the Euro title in her secondary event.
                    I agree with this 100%. Bol has no chance of beating McLaughlin until she graduates from 14-step school.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
                      I agree with this 100%. Bol has no chance of beating McLaughlin until she graduates from 14-step school.
                      The problem is, of course, that once Bol gets on Syd's page, Syd will be chapters ahead. This is called the Alydar Curse, forever stuck in a time loop right behind someone else.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                        The problem is, of course, that once Bol gets on Syd's page, Syd will be chapters ahead. This is called the Alydar Curse, forever stuck in a time loop right behind someone else.
                        Where do you think McLaughlin can get more speed? I don't see her ever going to 13 steps.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

                          I agree with this 100%. Bol has no chance of beating McLaughlin until she graduates from 14-step school.
                          SML was running 52s a couple years ago, went out and worked on her weak points, and graduated. If part of that formula was a short competitive season, you don't get to try to squeeze her results into someone else's season.
                          Last edited by Steele; 09-23-2022, 02:29 AM.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
                            Where do you think McLaughlin can get more speed? I don't see her ever going to 13 steps.
                            Exactly how 400 runners get faster - get stronger and fitter. Add leg strength to add stride length, making 14 strides easier and more comfortable, which leaves her with more gas in the tank at the end to finish even faster.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Steele View Post
                              One could even make the argument that the whole idea of a "complete" season is arbitrary, that Bol over-competed and therefore underperformed when it counted most, and that SML ran a complete season and achieved exactly the results she was working toward, outperforming Bol (and all other competitors) every time she stepped on the track, whether Bol was present or not.

                              If SML continues to run just a few meets every year for the next five years, but crushes everyone in sight in every race, what are you going to say? "Oh, no! That's not how you do track and field!" One could argue that SML is showing the naysayers exactly how the sport is supposed to be executed. She got into incredible shape, qualified for her national team, waltzed into the biggest meet of the year with everyone at their peak, strolled to the finish line miles in front of everyone else, and went home. You may not like it, it may not be "good" for the sport. Oh, well.
                              Very well said Steele! What one might add when she's criticized for not going to DLs is, what's in it for her? DL checks are pretty mimimal, and I don't think being named T&FN AOY 'pays' directly, but does give more exposure and attention which may help with sponsorship deals. WA AOY is a bit of a popularity contest.

                              I thimk there are some similarities between what is going on in mens golf (LIV golf showing PGA members theyve been getting short changed) and the current state of pro track. Most pro sports share 50% or more of revenue with the athletes. Track generates tremendous revenue every 4 years, and significant money elsewhere, yet so few elites are able to tap into the money stream.

                              Sydney (along with whoever is advising her) has figured out how to maximize her professional worth (as have a few others, most notably Bolt). Why would anyone do anything different?

                              Rojas will be WA AOY. Sydney should be T&FN AOY
                              Mondo will be both : )

                              ​​

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                                Exactly how 400 runners get faster - get stronger and fitter. Add leg strength to add stride length, making 14 strides easier and more comfortable, which leaves her with more gas in the tank at the end to finish even faster.
                                Okay, but these things (improving fitness and power) apply to everybody, not just McLaughlin. My point is that Bol has more room for improvement from a technical perspective than McLaughlin does. McLaughlin has just about maxed out her non-dominant leg while Bol hasn't come close.

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