2022 women's AOY

[18.99s]

There have been world record breakers who didn’t make the top 10 in their individual event.

Can you name any?

[jb2]

Can you name any?

I think, but am not sure, that the most recent are Dong Yanmei and Jiang Bo in the 5K in 1997, but there are numerous others.

[DET59]

On the men's side, in 2005 Asafa Powell broke the WR with 9.77 but didn't make the AOY top 10 for T&FN. I couldn't find the IAAF AOY results for 2005.

Wow, then Powell get AOY the next year for running the same time, (9.77) ? Were his season's that different ?

[ATK]

I think, but am not sure, that the most recent are Dong Yanmei and Jiang Bo in the 5K in 1997, but there are numerous others.

Were thoes marks actually recognized by T&FN?

[NotDutra5]

Wow, then Powell get AOY the next year for running the same time, (9.77) ? Were his season's that different ?

He was injured in 2005 shortly after setting the record and didn't compete beyond July including missing the WC in Helsinki.

[18.99s]

He was injured in 2005 shortly after setting the record and didn't compete beyond July including missing the WC in Helsinki.

And then in his 2006 AOY season he was undefeated with over a dozen meets, including sub-9.9 seven times and matching his own 9.77 world record twice.

[mump boy]

What I'm referring to is both are top ten all-time performers (amongst the 10 best ever in their events), so their results arent just flukes in a "down year" in their event (but they are also not close to WR's)

1.56.30 isn't top 10 AT performer mark. It's 40th !!

[DET59]

1.56.30 isn't top 10 AT performer mark. It's 40th !!

Mu, as I stated, is still a top ten all tine performer with a PB in 2021 just like Mahuchikh, their 1:56.3 and 2.05 are pretty decent marks (especiallg compared to marks of some of rhe others that made the WA top AOY top ten). If you make an adjustment for the "steroid era" (which often seems to be done for throwers, Chase's WC Gold is 824th on performance list, 1000+ if you count indoor). the marks are even better. To me it seems having WC's so early (which is where one obviously wants to peak) should discount the value of DL "victory lap" appearances in 4 or 5 Euopean meets. Mu is AOY top 10 (but not top 5)

[CD203]

I'd say most would agree Sydney, Yulimar, and SAFP will be 3 of the top 5.... Who will make up the other two spots when they are announced? Could a world record breaker not make the top 5? Has that ever happened before?

I think it’s likely that the rest of the top 5 will be from Amusan, Kipyegon, and Ealey. Leon is also a strong contender. I think the most likely to finish out the top 5 are Kipyegon and Amusan.

[Diara31]

The top three should be Sydney, Yulimar and Amusan. All three broke world records in their events, and went on to win world outdoor gold in their respective events.
Tobi won the World, African, Commonwealth and diamond league titles all in either championship or meet records and also competed regularly throughout the season.
Yulimar won the world indoor title with a world record and still competed outstandingly outdoors culminating in another world outdoor gold, but let's not allow recency bias to undermine her performances. 15.47 is still an incredible jump and surpassing 15m (which she is doing perhaps too easily) is still the goal of every elite female triple jumper.
Sydney broke the world record twice, the latter one was absolutely bonkers, she also won the world outdoor gold but she competed too sparingly (the races, she DID run were of a very high quality, but again too sparingly).
Shelly-Ann had perhaps the best season ever for a female 100m runner, she also broke a masters record but not THE world record. Her 10.62s run tho, is her only race of the race, that made it on the top ten all time list, compared to Sydney and Rojas. Tobi also only had one top ten all time run this year, but it was the world record and it'd be two if we included her wind-aided record run.

[CD203]

Shelly-Ann had perhaps the best season ever for a female 100m runner, she also broke a masters record but not THE world record. Her 10.62s run tho, is her only race of the race, that made it on the top ten all time list, compared to Sydney and Rojas. Tobi also only had one top ten all time run this year, but it was the world record and it'd be two if we included her wind-aided record run.

I think you could argue that SAFP may have had even the best season ever for a female sprinter. She ran in the 10.6s 7 times, lost only 1 race, won 4 DL races, including the final, and had a really strong season over 200m as well. She may not have run any world records or or entered many onto the top 10 all time, but she had an unprecedented level of consistency. It's worth mentioning that only 4 other women have gone faster than 10.7, and of the 19 runs under 10.7 in history, she ran 7 of them this year. That's literally 37% of the top 19. I think it's hard to argue that any athlete has had that significant of an impact on an event's all time list in a single year, when accounting for both quality of and depth of performance. To me, her season this year is better than ETH's was last year, and ETH got the award last year.

[mump boy]

Mu, as I stated, is still a top ten all tine performer with a PB in 2021 just like Mahuchikh, their 1:56.3 and 2.05 are pretty decent marks (especiallg compared to marks of some of rhe others that made the WA top AOY top ten). If you make an adjustment for the "steroid era" (which often seems to be done for throwers, Chase's WC Gold is 824th on performance list, 1000+ if you count indoor). the marks are even better. To me it seems having WC's so early (which is where one obviously wants to peak) should discount the value of DL "victory lap" appearances in 4 or 5 Euopean meets. Mu is AOY top 10 (but not top 5)

This makes no sense. What have previous years performances got to do with this years AOY ? Also it's obvious that steroids are more beneficial to heavy throwers than anyone else. SP and DT all time lists are completely unachievable for today's athletes.

While i don't think Mahuchikh deserves a top 10 I don't Mu with only 4 middling competitions does either. Considering she only won trials and WC by a combined total of .15 I think its highly likely she would have been beaten if she'd actually competed against her main rivals more than once or twice.

[mump boy]

The top three should be Sydney, Yulimar and Amusan. All three broke world records in their events, and went on to win world outdoor gold in their respective events.
Tobi won the World, African, Commonwealth and diamond league titles all in either championship or meet records and also competed regularly throughout the season.
Yulimar won the world indoor title with a world record and still competed outstandingly outdoors culminating in another world outdoor gold, but let's not allow recency bias to undermine her performances. 15.47 is still an incredible jump and surpassing 15m (which she is doing perhaps too easily) is still the goal of every elite female triple jumper.
Sydney broke the world record twice, the latter one was absolutely bonkers, she also won the world outdoor gold but she competed too sparingly (the races, she DID run were of a very high quality, but again too sparingly).
Shelly-Ann had perhaps the best season ever for a female 100m runner, she also broke a masters record but not THE world record. Her 10.62s run tho, is her only race of the race, that made it on the top ten all time list, compared to Sydney and Rojas. Tobi also only had one top ten all time run this year, but it was the world record and it'd be two if we included her wind-aided record run.

I don't think you can be AOY when you've lost 7 finals equally I struggle with someone who only competed in 2 meets of any note. Even if both performances were WR.

I'm very much leaning SAFP at the moment

[Mr Lover Lover]

I think you could argue that SAFP may have had even the best season ever for a female sprinter. She ran in the 10.6s 7 times, lost only 1 race, won 4 DL races, including the final, and had a really strong season over 200m as well. She may not have run any world records or or entered many onto the top 10 all time, but she had an unprecedented level of consistency. It's worth mentioning that only 4 other women have gone faster than 10.7, and of the 19 runs under 10.7 in history, she ran 7 of them this year. That's literally 37% of the top 19. I think it's hard to argue that any athlete has had that significant of an impact on an event's all time list in a single year, when accounting for both quality of and depth of performance. To me, her season this year is better than ETH's was last year, and ETH got the award last year.

Her seasons was not as impressive as ETH's? A woman who won the 100 and 200m in Tokyo by a country mile. Ran the second fastest time ever in both events at the time. Absolutely not.

[AFelixFan]

My unpopular AOY pick is Jackson. That pair of 21.45/21.55 performances is jaw-dropping. She improved her 100m PR marginally and left the WCs with individual gold and silver.

SAFP's full-throttle consistency and McLaughlin's stratospheric 50.68 will likely put them over as favourites, though.