2022 women's AOY

[bobguild76]

As this conversation is taking a turn for the worst, another more relevant comment on topic: I wonder if McLaughlin can once again win AOTY. Her 2 WRs made up for the very few races. But that hurdle WR won't be so easy to take down now. But if she does compete more often across various events, that will give her an edge to keep the AOY streak going.

Several folks, in another thread a while back, noted that the frontrunners for AOD were Sydney & Mondo. Thus far, that is spot on, especially if Sydney takes up the 400 with success.

[ATK]

As this conversation is taking a turn for the worst, another more relevant comment on topic: I wonder if McLaughlin can once again win AOTY. Her 2 WRs made up for the very few races. But that hurdle WR won't be so easy to take down now. But if she does compete more often across various events, that will give her an edge to keep the AOY streak going.

[Steele]

He might question it over a beer somewhere, but no questioning here.

[Wiederganger]

Neither ATK, nor the rest of us, share your disregard of how far we've come in tracks, shoes, training, etc.. If SML and/or Mu break those records, it is merely testament to their talent and support. Your innuendo is just that.

How far we have come...and yet, no other woman has come within half a second of Koch's record since. Someone with a question mark over them came within 54/100ths, and then after that the next is three quarters of a second behind the WR.

As for the 800m, since Kratochvilova ran that time, the best a woman could do is come roughly three quarters of a second behind it. Not even the apparent advantages DSD athletes have has been enough to break it.

you still don't get it, do you (more excised copy)? maybe a week's vacation will help.

[gm]

I just ripped through the Tokyo wWC 400 thread, couldn't find splits (it devolved into 200 posts about Allyson Felix and her relay medal count, ugh).
I'm sure they are in the relevant T&FN issue, someone else will have to look the up

23.5-11.9-13.0 in eTN

[Steele]

Curious how these splits differ from her 48.36 in Tokyo

I just ripped through the Tokyo wWC 400 thread, couldn't find splits (it devolved into 200 posts about Allyson Felix and her relay medal count, ugh).
I'm sure they are in the relevant T&FN issue, someone else will have to look the up

[ATK]

Shaunae Miller
12.1 - 23.6 - 35.7 - 48.37
12.1 + 11.5 + 12.1 + 12.7 (+24.8)

Curious how these splits differ from her 48.36 in Tokyo

[Steele]

I lifted these from the 2019 wWC 400 thread:

Salwa Eid Naser
12.1 - 23.2 - 35.1 - 48.14
12.1 + 11.1 + 11.9 + 13.1 (+25.0)

Shaunae Miller
12.1 - 23.6 - 35.7 - 48.37
12.1 + 11.5 + 12.1 + 12.7 (+24.8)

Marita Koch
11.70 - 22.47 - 34.22 - 47.60
11.70 + 10.77 + 11.75 + 13.38 (+25.13)

Not sure where the discrepancy lies with Koch's splits, she is widely credited with 22.4 at the 200 and a semi-official 34.14 at the 300 (with two turns!).

Point being, to get the WR one will need to hit the 300 sub-35 with two turns, something only SMU has done with one turn in the current era.

[bad hammy]

I'm not convinced that SML has enough 200 speed to ever run 47.60 from blocks.

It's only two 23.8s in a row - piece of cake! Her 22.39 PR is from four years ago.

[lonewolf]

I'm not convinced that SML has enough 200 speed to ever run 47.60 from blocks.

I am a great Syd admirer but do we have examples of her 100 and 200 speed?

[Atticus]

now you've gone and said you wouldn't question if SML/Mu broke the 400/800 records, . . . I would love to be so...blissfully unaware!

Neither ATK, nor the rest of us, share your disregard of how far we've come in tracks, shoes, training, etc.. If SML and/or Mu break those records, it is merely testament to their talent and support. Your innuendo is just that.

[Wiederganger]

Ok, so let me further clarify.

Though I think the 400m/800m WR are currently not possible, If SML and Mu break them (or any women for that matter), I will simply be in a state of excited shock. I will NOT have any questions about them.

I was about to post that it looked like I was unfairly targeting you after I quoted you, and it wasn't a personal post solely directed at you, but at the failure of others to be objective to all marks set in the 1980s....however, now you've gone and said you wouldn't question if SML/Mu broke the 400/800 records, I take it all back! 😁 I would love to be so...blissfully unaware! 😘

I just don't get the inconsistency in how the WRs from the 80s are viewed. To reduce it to Communist regime vs Capitalist regime is ludicrous. at this point unacceptable innuendo removed by mods. After all this time I'd think you'd know better.

[Wiederganger]

Defunct and discredited political regime don't sue. American individuals do.

Agreed (although, when faced with accusations by Darrell Robinson - and Angela Bailey under oath in a Canadian trial - neither were sued. Hmmmm)

[ATK]

And if this 'impossible' 400m WR get's broken, what does that tell you about the woman that breaks it? And what if the equally 'impossible' 800m record gets broken by Mu, as some are suggesting?

If McLaughlin & Mu break the WRs it would truly be surreal. But not in a good way.

Ok, so let me further clarify.

Though I think the 400m/800m WR are currently not possible, If SML and Mu break them (or any women for that matter), I will simply be in a state of excited shock. I will NOT have any questions about them.

[Trickstat]

Three of those records were already set in the 80's, that period where everyone seems happy to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 400 & 800 records, but are mute on the 100/200 & heptathlon records. And even if McLaughlin & Mu don't break the records, it's like people have looked down the list of these 'suspicious' marks from the 80's, crossed out all of them apart from the 100, 200 & heptathlon "oh no, they're clean. The others are definitely dirty, but these 3, by our lovely American heroines, who were coached by the same man, are most certainly legit. But not the others. No. They are all dirty". It's totally and utterly farcical.

Defunct and discredited political regime don't sue. American individuals do.