World Indoor 2023

[proofs in the pudd'in]

She did, early in the 2021 indoor season.

1:25.80 - slower than her previous HS junior performance and number 1 that season. Her outdoor 800 that year is still her PB.

[Peter Michaelson]

At the risk of thread hijacking, is there any "good" reason why World Athletics does not have world indoor records for 500m and/or 600m? They seem to be contested often enough. I'm not suggesting going back to the old days when T&FN had records for all kinds of tracks and all kinds of distances indoors, but to me the 500m and the 600m are legit. Maybe I'm biased because of US college athletes frequently contesting the 500m indoors.

I would also love to see the 600m as an official world record distance outdoors. Maybe then more meets would have it and the 400m people and the 800m people could do battle and maybe lower Johnny Gray's vintage world best. I know Rudisha tried a few times.

[Peter Michaelson]

I'm also nostalgic for the Lee Evans vs. Martin McGrady wars over 600y and you know Lee hated losing to anyone at any distance!

[Atticus]

I'm also nostalgic for the Lee Evans vs. Martin McGrady wars over 600y and you know Lee hated losing to anyone at any distance!

Those races are burned into my retinal memory!
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[18.99s]

At the risk of thread hijacking, is there any "good" reason why World Athletics does not have world indoor records for 500m and/or 600m? They seem to be contested often enough. I'm not suggesting going back to the old days when T&FN had records for all kinds of tracks and all kinds of distances indoors, but to me the 500m and the 600m are legit. Maybe I'm biased because of US college athletes frequently contesting the 500m indoors.

The 500m in particular is rare outside the US.

[Awsi Dooger]

Boers wasn't the only one from Meuwly's camp who struggled. One pathetic performance after another. Maybe they competed too soon after returning from South Africa, although it was a full week.

Bonavacia and Boers were mid 47 and Dobber well above 48. All 3 were well above anything from last indoor season.

Not much different on the women's side. Saalberg and Bouma at high 53 and Lisanne De Witte low 54. The only one with a bit of excuse was Saalberg, since they had her experiment with two rounds of the 60 during the same meet. She got left in the blocks then rallied for a slow 2nd at 7.75.

I really wonder how much longer they can rationalize keeping Laura De Witte in the Papendal program. She was awful last season indoors and today a non-competitive 56.10. She may be saved by Meuwly's increased influence and that there aren't any very promising 20ish youngsters. Laura is very popular among teammates, especially Saalberg and Bol.

The only good performance was by Cathelijn Peeters, who I mentioned in this thread a few weeks ago and who does not train with the Meuwly group. Again nothing great but she did set a personal best by nearly a half second at 53.16. Peeters is now one of the rare 400 runners who owns a superior lifetime best indoors than outdoors...53.34.

[CookyMonzta]

She's right there with a HS junior. Not knocking the performance at all. The comparison to what Mu ran as a HS junior I wonder about.

Mu ran 55.00 en route to her 1:23.57 in 2019.

[Revenant]

Boers wasn't the only one from Meuwly's camp who struggled. One pathetic performance after another. Maybe they competed too soon after returning from South Africa, although it was a full week.

Not much different on the women's side. Saalberg and Bouma at high 53 and Lisanne De Witte low 54.

Both Saalberg and Bouma ran faster here than their opening races last season at this same track. Lisanne is healthy, and has opened her season 3 weeks earlier than last year. Laura DW is the only one that I see as disappointing here. The reason she's still in the group is because she frequently runs relay legs 2 seconds faster than her individual SB, and is reliable, unlike Peeters, Ooesterwegel etc.

[andyjgt]

Re the Meuwly group, Lehikoinen (FIN) ran 7.57 and 7.63 then 53.72, the latter two within 35 minutes of each other, in Helsinki yesterday.

[Peter Michaelson]

Those races are burned into my retinal memory!
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Maybe we should leave that then . . .

Who is the Army guy?

[Davidokun]

Who is the Army guy?

Jim Kemp

[Revenant]

Re the Meuwly group, Lehikoinen (FIN) ran 7.57 and 7.63 then 53.72, the latter two within 35 minutes of each other, in Helsinki yesterday.

And other members of the group were also running well today: Kielbasinska ran 7.24 twice over 60m and then 23.02; Skryzsowska equalled the WL and PBed in the 60mh with 7.86 with Visser also under 8.00.

[Trickstat]

At the risk of thread hijacking, is there any "good" reason why World Athletics does not have world indoor records for 500m and/or 600m? They seem to be contested often enough. I'm not suggesting going back to the old days when T&FN had records for all kinds of tracks and all kinds of distances indoors, but to me the 500m and the 600m are legit. Maybe I'm biased because of US college athletes frequently contesting the 500m indoors.

I would also love to see the 600m as an official world record distance outdoors. Maybe then more meets would have it and the 400m people and the 800m people could do battle and maybe lower Johnny Gray's vintage world best. I know Rudisha tried a few times.

I would say that they are not run often enough by enough world-class athletes outside of the US to justify being full world record distances. Also the indoor season being fairly short reduces the opportunities to race non championship distances.

Here in the UK, indoor 600s seem to be most common in early season (usually December) 'open' meetings when you might also have distances like 300 and 1000m. I can't recall seeing the result of an indoor 500m race held here. I don't think they're common in Continental Europe either despite it being half a Km.

[Atticus]

Mihambo 6.83 WL in Düsseldorf today.

Montler 8.19 in Stockholm.

[Davidokun]

More on Kemp:

1965
Kentucky State Thorobreds
NCAA College Division: (1) 46.1y
NCAA: (1) 46.2y
World ranking: 2
U.S. ranking: 1

1966
Kentucky State Thorobreds
NCAA: (3) 46.9y
AAU: (6) 47.7y
Helsinki: (1) 45.8
World ranking: 10
U.S. ranking: 6

1967
49ers
AAU: (3) 45.7y
World ranking: 7
U.S. ranking: 5

1968
Fort MacArthur
Interservice: (1) 46.1y
AAU: (3) 46.3y
Final OT: (5) 45.2
U.S. ranking: 7

1969
Fort MacArthur
Interservice: (1) 46.1y
AAU: (3) 46.3y
World ranking: 7
U.S. ranking: 5