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    I have a simple solution for US distance running woes - run faster!

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    >>Of course,
    >that won't happen, because the US
    >doesn't look
    >out for its middle/long distance
    >runners.
    >Sprinters are spoon fed.

    So when
    >was the last time a sprinter was given a free
    >pass to the Olympic team just by demonstrating
    >fitness outside of winning the OT?

    I think he's talking about ex-champ sprinters not having to run rounds. We should apply this to our middle and distance guys who are defending national champs instead of just world champs or whatever. Maybe it's not fair, but the US needs to fix things up. Maybe he's also talking about how the US federation apparently looks the other way when it comes to sprinters violating drug rules.

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    >We need to have our
    >national championship in late July so our guys
    >can also be at their peak for the Eruo circuit
    >(where they can run fast) and be as competitive
    >as possible at Worlds/Olympics. Of course this
    >won't turn our guys into world beaters, but it'll
    >help some. Masback et al need to stop sniffing
    >the jocks of whoever wants early nationals and
    >make this obvious, far overdue change.

    You mean the college coaches?

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    >Of course,
    >that won't happen, because the US doesn't look
    >out for its middle/long distance runners.
    >Sprinters are spoon fed.

    So when was the last time a sprinter was given a free pass to the Olympic team just by demonstrating fitness outside of winning the OT?

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    <<I'd be more surprised seeing Gabe win than I would seeing Alan Webb win the trials. No joke. I think several guys out there are gonna blast Gabe off the track leading up to, and in the trials.>>

    Those two guy are probably barely in 4:00 condition.
    I would be very surprised if either makes the Olympic team. However, I am rooting for Webb.

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    BTW - for some reason I deleted part of my earlier post. I meant to write "If Chouki and Lagat are just a start ..." but I'm sure real track nuts knew where I was headed.

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    He'd have a very tough time making an
    >impact in Olympic 1500 final next year, IMHO. But
    >if he gets back to the shape of last year, he's a
    >definite medal contender over 2 laps.

    Besides,
    >Gabe is gonna win the OT 1500! :-)


    If Chouki are just a start, there might not be too many of those top guys blocking Krummy's outside shot at a medal. Maybe he should double, schedule permitting. Then again, that's tough for Americans to do, given the structure of our trials. He should be given a pass in the 800 if he demonstrates fitness, and then run the trials in the 1500. Of course, that won't happen, because the US doesn't look out for its middle/long distance runners. Sprinters are spoon fed.

    I'd be more surprised seeing Gabe win than I would seeing Alan Webb win the trials. No joke. I think several guys out there are gonna blast Gabe off the track leading up to, and in the trials.

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    Krummenacker did not make the 800meter finals in this summers world championships.
    It is time for to give the 1500 meters a try.
    He done with the 800 meters.

    Lunn and Berryhill aren't super fast.

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  • dl
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    I haven't talked to him about it, but I'd seriously doubt that Krum will run the 1500 at the Trials next year. He's World Indoor champ in the 8. He'd have a very tough time making an impact in Olympic 1500 final next year, IMHO. But if he gets back to the shape of last year, he's a definite medal contender over 2 laps.

    Besides, Gabe is gonna win the OT 1500! :-)

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    >You can apologize for
    >and sniff the jock of your hero all you want,

    That's the funniest thing I've read in weeks!

    We need to have our national championship in late July so our guys can also be at their peak for the Eruo circuit (where they can run fast) and be as competitive as possible at Worlds/Olympics. Of course this won't turn our guys into world beaters, but it'll help some. Masback et al need to stop sniffing the jocks of whoever wants early nationals and make this obvious, far overdue change.

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  • blockstart
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    There are in my opinion two controlling variables to the short comings of Americas middle distance corps one – Too much money to be the nations best, it should be lucrative to be the worlds best, this kills the incentive aspect, two – the training is not geared for the European circuit in terms of competing at a respectable level on a consecutive bases. Just my opinion folks!

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    >Why change the subject. We were talking about US
    >1500-meter runners. Besides, Krummenackers PR's
    >puts him in contention on the list you showed me.
    >Lunn and Berryhill's career PR's would certainly
    >not be on that list.
    In short Krummenacker is
    >the only US 1500-meter runner that competes with
    >the world's super elite.

    Um, what makes you think there was an attempt to change the subject? Krummenacker's PR's and that list are oranges and grapefruits. He was off the bottom of that list, outside the top 20 this year. In short, he doesn't compete with the world's super elite, though he is a contender to sneak past some of them if any have an off day.

    Why bust on the
    >America's best hope in the 1500. Until Lunn and
    >Berryhill run at least 3:32 they cannot be taken
    >seriously in Athens. I would be over-joyed if
    >Lunn made the Olympic 1500-meter finals in
    >Athens. Maybe Lunn can repeat what Pyrah did in
    >2000. Remember, Pyrah with only a 3:54 mile PR
    >made the 1500-meter finals in the 2000. Pyrah was
    >a great competitor. In 2000 he showed he wasn't
    >afraid of running with the worlds best.

    Since when is pointing out reality "busting on" someone? You can apologize for and sniff the jock of your hero all you want, but that doesn't change black-and-white stats. Krum will have to show a lot better than he did at the Worlds this year to be considered a good shot at making the final in Athens.

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    Why change the subject. We were talking about US 1500-meter runners. Besides, Krummenackers PR's puts him in contention on the list you showed me. Lunn and Berryhill's career PR's would certainly not be on that list.
    In short Krummenacker is the only US 1500-meter runner that competes with the world's super elite.

    Why bust on the America's best hope in the 1500. Until Lunn and Berryhill run at least 3:32 they cannot be taken seriously in Athens. I would be over-joyed if Lunn made the Olympic 1500-meter finals in Athens. Maybe Lunn can repeat what Pyrah did in 2000. Remember, Pyrah with only a 3:54 mile PR made the 1500-meter finals in the 2000. Pyrah was a great competitor. In 2000 he showed he wasn't afraid of running with the worlds best.

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    In this list I don't see any of them


    1500 METERS
    3:29.13 Hicham El Guerrouj (Mor).........Zürich GP..08/15
    3:30.55 Bernard Lagat (Ken).........Zürich GP..08/15
    3:30.83 Fouad Chouki (Fra).........Zürich GP..08/15
    3:30.97 Mehdi Baala (Fra)..........Paris GP..07/04
    3:31.17 Cornelius Chirchir (Ken)........Ostrava GP..06/12
    3:31.54 Isaac Songok (Ken)........Heusden GP..08/02
    3:31.70 William Chirchir (Ken)........Ostrava GP..06/12
    3:32.01 Ivan Heshko (Ukr)........Ostrava GP..06/12
    3:32.35 Alex Kipchirchir (Ken).........Zürich GP..08/15
    3:32.42 Benjamin Kipkurui (Ken)........Heusden GP..08/02
    3:32.44 Paul Korir (Ken)..........Paris GP..07/04
    3:32.86 Reyes Estévez (Spa)...........Rome GP..07/11
    3:32.97 Rui Silva (Por).........Athens GP..06/24
    3:33.38 Robert Rono (Ken).........Zürich GP..08/15
    3:33.69 Vyacheslav Shabunin (Rus).........Zürich GP..08/15
    3:33.91 Laban Rotich (Ken)..........Paris GP..07/04
    3:33.96 Noah Ngeny (Ken).........Athens GP..06/24
    3:33.99 Gert-Jan Liefers (Hol)..........World Ch..08/27
    3:34.07 Timothy Kiptanui (Ken)..........Milan GP..06/03
    3:34.19 Juan Carlos Higuero (Spa)...........Rome GP..07/11

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    In this list I see Krummenacker mentioned, but not Lunn, , Berryhill, or Robison.

    1500 METERS
    3:29.77 ........ Sydney Maree (Pum) 85
    3:31.01 ........... Jim Spivey (AW) 88
    3:31.52 ...... Steve Holman (ReebE) 97
    3:31.76 ......... Steve Scott (Tig) 85
    3:31.93 .. David Krummenacker (adi) 02**
    3:33.1 .............. Jim Ryun (Ks) 67
    3:33.6 ......... Joe Falcon (Asics) 90
    3:33.72 ...... Seneca Lassiter (Ar) 99
    3:33.89 ...... Paul McMullen (Sauc) 01
    3:33.99 .......... Steve Lacy (AFS) 80
    .............. Todd Harbour (SMTC) 82

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