Aussie Results/News 2023

[Vault-emort]

Nothing to worry the Yanks, but not bad for one of our 'chocolate' events

110H (2022/23)

13.43 Hough
13.54 McCorry
13.62 Andrews
13.63 Hurwood
13.65 Douglas
13.65 Lightfoot (b03)
13.85 Willis (b03)
13.91 Dubler
13.92 Golobowic
14.00 Little (b03)

and what could have been...

13.17 Zhoya

[Vault-emort]

4 Britton, Emily 01 NSW 13.30 [SB, 5th fastest ever and in AUA]

What does SB mean for her and Jenneke as their Seasonal Bests are not their times today?

And what does AUA mean?

ETA - ohhhh... typo for AUS... nvm...

[El Toro]

MJT Final - over 75m

1 O'Brien, Liam 96 QLD 77.62
2 McEntyre, Cameron 99 NSW 76.83
3 McDonald, Howard 01 QLD 75.30 SB
4 Peacock, Hamish 90 TAS 75.24 SB

M5000 Final - under 14:00.00

1 Davies, Callum 99 QLD 13:52.82
2 Bruce, Jack 94 QLD 13:52.99
3 Hansen, James 93 TAS 13:53.20
4 Heyne, Isaac 00 SA 13:59.50
5 Clarke, Matthew 95 SA 13:59.72
6 Potter, Adrian 95 SA 13:59.76

W5000 Final - under 16:00.00

1 Hull, Jessica 96 NSW 15:05.87
2 Davies, Rose 99 NSW 15:23.25
3 Pompeani, Leanne 96 NSW 15:31.17
4 Gregson, Genevieve 89 QLD 15:46.74
5 Adams, Caitlin 97 SA 15:59.38

[PaulThomas66]

Fantastic reporting by El Toro .
This is exactly the kind of in depth coverage that World Athletics should be providing throughout the year .
Please check out "basketball reference" who also provide comprehensive stats for soccer "fbref" and nhl , nfl etc .
Athletics really need a free to access - stats site of this quality and ease of use - to help promote the sport .
World Athletics needs to liaise with "basketball reference " and agree with a format that will work for athletics .

[Vault-emort]

Athletics really need a free to access - stats site of this quality and ease of use - to help promote the sport .

https://worldathletics.org/stats-zone

is where most of us get our free, high quality, easy to use, stats these days.

[El Toro]

Kurtis Marschall talks about taking his big pole out for a 5.90 attempt and breaking it through his sheer animal intensity.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/athletics/it-s-scary-pole-vaulter-marschall-snaps-pole-at-australian-championships-20230402-p5cxh4.html

[El Toro]

What does SB mean for her and Jenneke as their Seasonal Bests are not their times today?

And what does AUA mean?

ETA - ohhhh... typo for AUS... nvm...

I thought I must have been a line out or meant to type "SB=x" to highlight a very close performance but it was just a complete @#^$% up. At least the other notes seem to be actual facts on rechecking. Here's the update.


W100H Final -0.1

1 Jenneke, Michelle 93 QLD 12.77 [6th fastest time, 4th fastest in AUS, WC qualifier]
2 Mucci, Celeste 99 VIC 12.92 [=2nd fastest run ever and in AUS]
3 Jones, Hannah 95 QLD 12.99 [5th fastest ever, 5th time under 13.00]
4 Britton, Emily 01 NSW 13.30 [5th fastest ever and in AUS]
5 Taddeo, Abbie 94 NSW 13.52
6 Skelton, Tiahna 03 NSW 13.56 [PB! - was 13.73 +0.6 11Mar23]
7 Roman, Daniela 96 VIC 13.62 SB
8 Breslin, Imogen 01 NSW 13.90

[El Toro]

https://worldathletics.org/stats-zone

is where most of us get our free, high quality, easy to use, stats these days.

It''s only easy to use if you want to read exactly what they want to give you.

However, all the information I extracted to include the simplest sort of notes in my commentary, I had to do manually. In contrast, it appears that the site PaulThomas66 linked, is much more user friendly, allowing you to construct your own queries and explore the data in the way you want.

For example, the website has an example table for "What player scored the most points in the first 20 games of their career?"

https://stathead.com/tiny/pKWPT?&utm...it_on_stathead

• Hover over the headings, get the meaning of the abbreviation. IAAF does not do
• Click on the heading, sort the table. IAAF does not do
• Want to export? Options available, including bbcode table for easy posting here! IAAF does not do.
• Want to filter or delete prior to export so you only have stuff you want. Sure can! IAAF does not do.

Conclusion: Basketball stats are more engaging, stress free, more likely to be accurate and will generate more fan analysis of the sport than athletics stats.

Solution for stats people: dump this sport and follow basketball!

[Davidokun]

Fantastic reporting by El Toro .
This is exactly the kind of in depth coverage that World Athletics should be providing throughout the year .
Please check out "basketball reference" who also provide comprehensive stats for soccer "fbref" and nhl , nfl etc .
Athletics really need a free to access - stats site of this quality and ease of use - to help promote the sport .
World Athletics needs to liaise with "basketball reference " and agree with a format that will work for athletics .

For the record, Sports Reference covers baseball, basketball, gridiron football, hockey, and association football. They used to also cover Olympic sports, with data provided by our very own bambam1729, et al., but that site closed in 2020, and the information formerly contained therein is now available on Olympedia.

[El Toro]

Things that I learnt over the weekend about IAAF data that shit me no end.

What does "Score" mean in profiles.

I though this was the results score except in relation to the World Rankings section where it's relevant but I noticed that "Score" can mean Performance Score (Results Score + Placing Score), which is the carefully defined term in the Ranking rules. Where "Results Score" appears it is Results Score as defined.

Why create a specific term then not use it in either the table description or the column heading? I would point out that the Top 10 appears at the bottom of every tab in profile, not just the World Rankings tab, so it's even less obvious. Here's what they use where a score appears:

Toplists = Results Score
All-time Personal Top 10 = Performance Score (Results Score + Placing Score), sorted in order of Score not times.
Personal Bests = Results Score
Seasons Bests = Results Score
Results = Performance Score (Results Score + Placing Score)

I hadn't noticed this because most AUS athletes don't have placing points. But Catriona Bisset's profile was so obvious, even a thicko like me finally twigged to it. Edited Version:

1:58.09 B     1197    ARNR
1:59.46 A     1195    ARNR
1:58.32 B     1192    
1:58.42 GW     1191    
1:58.54 GW     1188    
1:59.83 A     1188    
1:58.78 A     1184    
2:00.10 A     1184    
2:00.16 A     1183    
1:59.12 B     1178        ​

The case of Emily Britton.

I notice that when different performances have the same score, the Top 10 order does not have a secondary sort on performance, resulting in this in Britton's profile. I'm assuming it must be date order but who knows for sure.

13.31    -0.3 5 MAR 2023 1109    
13.30    -0.1 02 APR 2023 1109​

Even the World Bank is more interested in my thoughts about the usability and potential improvements on their datasite. Have a play with some of the data sets and look at all the choices you have of dealing with the data.

https://databank.worldbank.org/home.aspx

[Vault-emort]

It''s only easy to use if you want to read exactly what they want to give you.

If's way way better than the out-of-date stats that they had until just a couple of years ago.

I'm thankful it's here. And hopeful it will be improved further in the future.

Compared to other 'individual' Olympic sports such as swimming, it's light-years ahead. Can almost guarantee a swimming world record set a month back won't even be on FINA's lists yet.

[AS]

Stephanie Ratcliffe, throwing for Harvard (as a Senior) at Florida Relays on the weekend, become 4th ever Aussie over 70m in WHT: 70.15m

She has improved 6m this season. Below are all throws (in order) this season that better her prior PB of 64.04 from 2020:

2022: 64.66, 66.18, 67.61, 66.54, 64.93, 65.45, 65.42, 70.15, 69.07, 68.34

[El Toro]

STAWELL GIFT 2023

Easter once again brings the Stawell Gift handicap race, which is having its 141st running this weekend from Saturday to Monday.

Central Park in Stawell (https://aths.au/track/stawell/central-park/) is located at 233m above sea level and local time is AEST, which is +10 hrs to GMT.

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/@2148431

The Gift website is at https://www.stawellgift.com/

The Gift will be streamed for free (account required) on https://7plus.com.au/the-stawell-gift Overseas users may need to make the usual arrangements for such things. Apparently, all three full days will be streamed from 0935 AEST each day.

There will also be a live TV broadcast on Channel 7 for the major finals on Monday. Coverage only from 1130-1430 AEST.

Stawell weekend competition times

Sat 0930 - 1632
Sun 0930 - 1632
Mon 0930 -1640

[El Toro]

The Stawell Gift seems to be turning into week 2 of Nationals with many leading runners accepted for this weekend. Let's hope they are all still in shape.

That list includes Eddie Nketia who has been rewarded for his fine running recently with the gift of scratch! I think we are still at only 6 winners off scratch in 140 editions but maybe Eddie can make it 7 out of 141.

One interesting potential winner is Chad Perris from the ACT, a T13 athlete due to his albinism, running off a relatively long 7.5m. I think he might be in that sweet zone to do well and it will be interesting to see how he goes.

Despite turning 31 later this year, Perris has improved his times since moving to Matt Beckenham's squad in the last year. He ran 2 x 10.65 PBs at the ACT Champs earlier this year with +1.5 & +1.6 winds and has run every race under 11s this season, compared to all races over 11s last domestic season!

The backmarkers less than 4m + select others:


MEN 120m Gift

Eddie Nketia (NZL) scratch
Jake Doran 0.5m
Anas Abu Ganaba 0.5m
Jack Hale 0.75m
Dhruv Rodrigues Chico (2019 Stawell Gift winner) 0.75m
Jacob Despard (2018 Stawell Gift winner) 1.25m
Matthew Rizzo (10.38 +0.7 heat, 10.34 +0.5 PB in 2020 ACT champs) 3.75m

Angus Proudfoot(ACT) 6.25m
Chad Perris (ACT) 7.5m

[El Toro]

Like the men the Women's Gift is a who's who of national class athletes, although it looks like none will be able to win off their handicaps.

Bree Masters is the scratch runner, making it unlikely that she will be able to improve on her 3rd in 2019, despite now being a much faster athlete on synthetic. I will say though that the spread in marks seems harsh for some runners who are not in her class.

Carla Bull, last year's winner off 6.0m has had her leash shortened considerably to just 2.0m. That's pretty tight for somebody with only a 12.31 +0.4 PB, although she did set a 200m PB this year of 23.57 0.0. I don't think the extra 20m on grass will tip the balance against Masters let alone those on more generous marks.

Mia Gross has received an unfortunate 0.25m, probably due to excess weight given to her 11.39 +1.0 / 23.72 +0.1 PBs in one weekend in January last year. Unfortunately, this year she has only got an 11.78 -0.1 SB set in the Heat of Nationals, which also seemed to be her opener! She then had disaster of 13.72 in the Semi but I'm not sure what happened there. Maybe the handicapper thought she was running dead all season?

There's also a couple of unexpected non-specialist runners on longer (but not long enough) handicaps.

Brooke Buschkuehl, 7.13m NR in LJ, is off 4.0m and has a PB of 12.01 +0.8 from way back in 2015! However, she did sneak in a 12.02 0.0 in December last year, so she's in her best form but I can't see 4.0 being enough. Then again, who knows with a LJer - Naa Anang, anyone?

Tori West, fresh from a 5909 silver in Heptathlon at Nationals has 6.0m which I think is a bit harsh for somebody with only a 12.25 +0.6 PB from a couple of years ago and has never run under 24 over 200.

W120m Gift backmarkers under 4.0 + select others

Bree Masters (3rd in the 2019 Women’s Gift) scratch
Mia Gross (11.78 -0.1 SB) 0.25m
Maddie Coates 1.5m
Hayley Reynolds 1.75m
Carla Bull (2022 Womens Gift winner off 6.0m) 2.0m
Jessica Payne 2.5m
Helen Pretorius 2.75m
Alexia Loizou 2.75m
Olivia Matzer 2.75m
Chloe Mannix-power 3.75
Elizabeth Forsyth (2018 Womens Gift Winner off 7.0m) 3.75m
Kiara Reddingius 3.75m

Brooke Buschkuehl 4.0m
Ellie Beer 5.0m
Tori West 6.0m