2023 NCAA indoors

[Awsi Dooger]

Those relays were.....definitely something

No kidding. That's an all-timer the way the Duke women lost the conference title. I attended a Miami/Florida State basketball game this afternoon and somebody at the game happened to mention the relay to me, because we've discussed track and field in the past. But not until I got home to watch did I have any idea it was even more bizarre than he described, and even more unlikely than the Canes blowing that 25 point lead.

I felt bad for Amina Maatoug because she had done so much to give Duke the advantage entering the relay, running a smart gutsy second to Tuohy at 3000 less than 40 minutes after finishing 3rd in the 800. Virginia Tech had already posted a very slow time in the opening heat of the relay, meaning all Duke needed was 6th or better to win the conference title, and they had the fastest entry time.

As I watched the replay I was always keeping an eye on the anchor's right arm as she swung it back and forth so close to the Miami runner. I didn't know exactly what happened but at that point there hadn't been an obvious infraction so I knew it had to be a loss of the baton at some point. I was really baffled when they were around the final turn with nothing unusual.

How can the Duke coaches complain? I heard both of them threw tantrums. Meanwhile that could not have been more clear cut. She wasn't fouled and never came close to crossing the line while still carrying the baton.

[Atticus]

Anyone notice Georgia's splits?

Boling 45.20
Cavanaugh 46.47
Sumner 46.83
Godwin 44.83

[CD203]

No kidding. That's an all-timer the way the Duke women lost the conference title. I attended a Miami/Florida State basketball game this afternoon and somebody at the game happened to mention the relay to me, because we've discussed track and field in the past. But not until I got home to watch did I have any idea it was even more bizarre than he described, and even more unlikely than the Canes blowing that 25 point lead.

I felt bad for Amina Maatoug because she had done so much to give Duke the advantage entering the relay, running a smart gutsy second to Tuohy at 3000 less than 40 minutes after finishing 3rd in the 800. Virginia Tech had already posted a very slow time in the opening heat of the relay, meaning all Duke needed was 6th or better to win the conference title, and they had the fastest entry time.

As I watched the replay I was always keeping an eye on the anchor's right arm as she swung it back and forth so close to the Miami runner. I didn't know exactly what happened but at that point there hadn't been an obvious infraction so I knew it had to be a loss of the baton at some point. I was really baffled when they were around the final turn with nothing unusual.

How can the Duke coaches complain? I heard both of them threw tantrums. Meanwhile that could not have been more clear cut. She wasn't fouled and never came close to crossing the line while still carrying the baton.

Honestly I was more talking about the SEC relays. Never have I seen so many DNF 4x4s in one meet

[CookyMonzta]

CR in w60 for Alfred!

6.97

Just a thought: With WA showing their acrimonious side lately, what will they do if this girl goes 6.91 or faster, gets tested in strict accordance with WADA/USADA rules and passes? Lord Coe had better let her WR get ratified if she breaks it.

[Bruce Kritzler]

Think the Duke anchor could have walked back, picked up the baton, and walked across the finish, and been ok?

[NotDutra5]

No kidding. That's an all-timer the way the Duke women lost the conference title. I attended a Miami/Florida State basketball game this afternoon and somebody at the game happened to mention the relay to me, because we've discussed track and field in the past. But not until I got home to watch did I have any idea it was even more bizarre than he described, and even more unlikely than the Canes blowing that 25 point lead.

I felt bad for Amina Maatoug because she had done so much to give Duke the advantage entering the relay, running a smart gutsy second to Tuohy at 3000 less than 40 minutes after finishing 3rd in the 800. Virginia Tech had already posted a very slow time in the opening heat of the relay, meaning all Duke needed was 6th or better to win the conference title, and they had the fastest entry time.

As I watched the replay I was always keeping an eye on the anchor's right arm as she swung it back and forth so close to the Miami runner. I didn't know exactly what happened but at that point there hadn't been an obvious infraction so I knew it had to be a loss of the baton at some point. I was really baffled when they were around the final turn with nothing unusual.

How can the Duke coaches complain? I heard both of them threw tantrums. Meanwhile that could not have been more clear cut. She wasn't fouled and never came close to crossing the line while still carrying the baton.

I believe the poster was referring to the SEC 4x4s which were a collective train wreck for various reasons. The entire field should have been dq'd both men and women.

[NotDutra5]

Honestly I was more talking about the SEC relays. Never have I seen so many DNF 4x4s in one meet

As I suspected. The good news is, for the teams that finished, they had the opportunity to be dq'd and they were.

[NotDutra5]

Think the Duke anchor could have walked back, picked up the baton, and walked across the finish, and been ok?

When the event happened, I was wondering if she can leave the track to retrieve the baton and finish without a dq. It looked like it ended up on the infield.

[player]

The Duke anchor was too close to the finish line to stop and, once she crossed, that's it. She was assigned a chip time. You don't get a second crack.

If she hadn't crossed the finish, I believe she could have picked up the baton from the infield, where it was right against the curb. She would have to be sure to go back on the track at least as far as the point where she dropped it.

[Davidokun]

When the event happened, I was wondering if she can leave the track to retrieve the baton and finish without a dq. It looked like it ended up on the infield.

Seems so, if done in accordance with the rules:

A baton dropped outside the passing zone must be recovered by the person who dropped it. The runner recovering the baton may leave the assigned lane or track provided no other runner is impeded and the distance to be covered is not lessened.

[gm]

The Duke anchor was too close to the finish line to stop and, once she crossed, that's it. She was assigned a chip time. You don't get a second crack.

If she hadn't crossed the finish, I believe she could have picked up the baton from the infield, where it was right against the curb. She would have to be sure to go back on the track at least as far as the point where she dropped it.

Say what now?

[gm]

Just a thought: With WA showing their acrimonious side lately, what will they do if this girl goes 6.91 or faster, gets tested in strict accordance with WADA/USADA rules and passes? Lord Coe had better let her WR get ratified if she breaks it.

Why wouldn't they? Assuming all rules are followed (recall blocks, etc.), and the meet is on the WA calendar (which pretty much all of the big collegiate ones are now), it would make no sense not to ratify.

[Davidokun]

Seems so, if done in accordance with the rules...

On the other hand:

In addition, the referee, after consulting with the appropriate officials, shall disqualify a relay team when:

f. The last runner of the team finishes the race without a baton;

[player]

Say what now?

The rules say if the anchor finishes without the baton, team is DQd. If anchor crosses and is assigned finishing time, I would assume that means the team is deemed to have finished the race.

But I am respectful of your knowledge and always welcome being enlightened.

[El Toro]

Why wouldn't they? Assuming all rules are followed (recall blocks, etc.), and the meet is on the WA calendar (which pretty much all of the big collegiate ones are now), it would make no sense not to ratify.

Yep, no need to hyperventilate on the non-existent problem, at least in relation to Alfred and the listing issue.

Here's her season up to the NCAA champs and those listed meets have been marked with an asterisk. I would go as far as to suggest that meets not organised or interested enough to get listed will also not be likely to organise all the other necessities for a WR ratification, anyway. Others may have different views.

21 JAN 2023* Martin Luther King Jr. Invitational
04 FEB 2023* New Mexico Collegiate Classic
11 FEB 2023* Clemson Tiger Paw Invitational
24 FEB 2023* Big 12 Indoor Championships
04 MAR 2023* Longhorn Invitational
11 MAR 2023* NCAA Indoors Ch.