2023 NCAA indoors

[Davidokun]

WA haven't marked Hobbs' time with an (A) on their lists...do we know if they have stopped doing that?

Seems so. For what it's worth, I just submitted the following query.

"Your lists do not indicate which marks are altitude-aided. Is this shortcoming temporary or permanent?"

In the unlikely event that I receive a reply, I'll pass it on.

Somewhat surprisingly, I received a reply from a WA Partner Statistician.

According to the rules, altitude is not defined and therefore it has no effect on the validity of the results. Because of this, it is not shown in the results.

[schigh]

Honestly I was more talking about the SEC relays. Never have I seen so many DNF 4x4s in one meet

I watched the SEC's before the ACC's. Didn't think it could get even more weird. The other runner did knock the baton out of the Duke runner's hand. The announcer's made a big deal out of it not being done on purpose (which it clearly wasn't). Is that the standard for accepting or rejecting a protest (I assume Duke did file one)?

[dj]

ATK is correct. Haven’t been at the meet since the change occurred. Last time I worked in person was 2019. COVID killed a streak that began in 1989.

[ATK]

It will depend on what the coaches feel is her level of dominance over the field. This is the triple Galen Rupp pulled of for three wins in 2009.

Very similar true, though only difference is Women and Men now compete in separate sessions as opposed to combined, resulting in less time between events. Rupp had 1 hour 10min between the 5000m and the DMR in 2009 compared to the 40 minutes now. So 30 min difference, not huge but significant for comparisons sake.

[dj]

Touhy confirmed for 5k and 3k, scratched mile. She could run DMR, but unlikely as it’s about 40min after 5k.

It will depend on what the coaches feel is her level of dominance over the field. This is the triple Galen Rupp pulled of for three wins in 2009.

[Bruce Kritzler]

Looking at the schedule Tuohy seems likely to do the DMR and 3K. The 5K and DMR are 45 minutes apart. The mile looks incompatible with any of the others with semis an hour before the 5K and finals an hour before the 3k.

Touhy confirmed for 5k and 3k, scratched mile. She could run DMR, but unlikely as it’s about 40min after 5k.

[smj]

Looking at the schedule Tuohy seems likely to do the DMR and 3K. The 5K and DMR are 45 minutes apart. The mile looks incompatible with any of the others with semis an hour before the 5K and finals an hour before the 3k.

[ATK]

Also hopefully it comes to fruition outdoors, but the Women's 60mH, though still crazy, was a bit anti-climactic.
Alia Armstrong, Grace Stark, Paula Salmon all injured or not doing well so didnt qualify. But Nugent vs Russell should be a great race,

[DrJay]

My gosh, 3:56 to get into the mile, with 75 guys having run 3:59 or better indoors this year. Who'd a thought it a few years ago?

[ATK]

Declarations lists are up for NCAA Indoors. Only real surprise to me is Micah Williams scratching the 60.

https://rtspt.com/ncaa/d1indoor23/

Jacory Patterson opting for the 200m over the 400m is a bit of surprise in his final indoor NCAA! Love it though as the 200m is stacked, but that makes it a risky move since the 200m is so dependent on lanes. I thought he could have run sub 45 in the 400m along with Godwin, Bailey and maybe even his teammate WIllie.

Also notable is Britton Wilson back in the 400m as opposed to the 800. It seems she's clearly been just training through indoors with outdoors/worlds being the goal so I'm not expecting too much, but that Women's 400m is STACKED.

[dupontred]

Declarations lists are up for NCAA Indoors. Only real surprise to me is Micah Williams scratching the 60.

https://rtspt.com/ncaa/d1indoor23/

No Tuohy in the mile (guess she’s focusing on 3k/5k and DMR), no Britton Wilson in 800 (doing 400 but not listed in their 4x4 relay either), no Jacory Patterson in 400 (injured in SEC 4x4 relay).

Looking forward to Garland vs AO in the men’s hep

[Davidokun]

Davidokun thanks for the list. That looks about right.

You're welcome.

WA haven't marked Hobbs' time with an (A) on their lists...do we know if they have stopped doing that?

Seems so. For what it's worth, I just submitted the following query.

Your lists do not indicate which marks are altitude-aided. Is this shortcoming temporary or permanent?

In the unlikely event that I receive a reply, I'll pass it on

[Revenant]

I'm currently sitting at 603m in a city of ~450k, higher than Flash (461m), the highest village in Britain and Bradford, the English city with highest average elevation of 169m and point within a city (325m). The UK is actually a pretty low country with average elevation of 162m.
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I'm just outside Brum, which is also one of the highest cities. We are actually higher than Brum - I have a great view of the city lights in the distance from my bedroom window - and it used to be said if we look north east/east, the next highest point is the Ural mountains...which I think is pretty nonsense, but it's fun the quote.

Davidokun thanks for the list. That looks about right. WA haven't marked Hobbs' time with an (A) on their lists...do we know if they have stopped doing that?

[El Toro]

Living at high altitude has usually been considered advantageous in endurance events and sports.

According to my phone I live at 141m. I think this is fairly high for south-east England but appears to be lower than most people in the world.

I don't think that anybody is denying that living at altitude has certain benefits. However, that's not really relevant in terms of (A) sprint marks, given those high areas have a relative dearth of population, generally lower incomes, lower sporting participation and where they do participate they tend to play soccer (everywhere) or focus on distance events (KEN/ETH) for the reason you mentioned.

They also tend not to host high quality sprint competitions, leading to the low number of (A) marks in the alltime list, despite the inherent, but modest, time advantages.

I'm currently sitting at 603m in a city of ~450k, higher than Flash (461m), the highest village in Britain and Bradford, the English city with highest average elevation of 169m and point within a city (325m). The UK is actually a pretty low country with average elevation of 162m.

Although Australia is the lowest continent on average at 330m, it does have probably 8-10 times the UK's area that's higher than Bradford's highest point but not much population lives there and there's no sprint meets above 1000m. The highest major track is Canberra AIS track at around 630m which ony gives about 0.02 assistance, the same as +0.4 wind at sea level.

[gm]

Declarations lists are up for NCAA Indoors. Only real surprise to me is Micah Williams scratching the 60.

https://rtspt.com/ncaa/d1indoor23/